11/9/2012 7:45 PM ET|
Retirement planning if you're broke
3. Consider bankruptcy
If you're using retirement savings to pay debts, stop right now. "The credit card companies are going to be able to survive. But it's kind of an open question whether you will," says Weston.
Weston's rule of thumb: Get help if your debts equal half of your income. She suggests finding a credit counselor through the nonprofit National Foundation for Credit Counseling and a bankruptcy attorney from the National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys.
Many older people have a particularly strong a sense of honor. They may spend retirement savings or drain home equity to keep paying unmanageable debts. Many of them don't realize that their 401k accounts and individual retirement accounts are protected from creditors in bankruptcy, says bankruptcy attorney Billy Brewer, Jr., the president of the NACBA.
Brewer also tells his Raleigh, N.C., clients to throw in the towel if they're using credit cards to pay bills.
"I would say seniors are the primary demographic that wait too long," he says. By filing for bankruptcy sooner and protecting retirement savings, they'll have more savings to protect them from poverty in old age.
Bankruptcy laws are complex. You'll need an attorney. There are two types of bankruptcy, Chapter 7 and Chapter 13. Brewer charges, for example, $1,500 to $2,000, on average, for Chapter 7 and $3,000 for Chapter 13. An initial consultation with a bankruptcy attorney often is free or discounted.
In Chapter 7 bankruptcy, your debts are erased and you're allowed to keep "exempt" property, including a car, retirement accounts and household furnishings.
Home equity is exempt, too, which is why it's a mistake to use it to pay debts. However, the amount of home equity that you're allowed to keep varies widely. In North Carolina, for example, the limit is $35,000, in Massachusetts, it's $500,000, and Florida has no limit.
With Chapter 13, which may be the choice if you have more home equity than your state protects, you agree to a repayment plan spanning a maximum of five years. Afterward, the remaining debt is forgiven.
To rescue your retirement, take a hard look at income and living expenses. You'll have more choices if you act early. Choices are usually more limited when your back is against the wall.
Start with housing, probably your biggest expense. Consider new possibilities -- selling your home and renting, for instance. Or buying a smaller, cheaper home. Or inviting a renter to share your home and help generate some income.
Vernon says his daughter, when she was a student, rented a room in an older couple's home. They enjoyed each other's company and looked out for one another.
PulteGroup, a homebuilders company, surveyed 1,000 homeowners and found that a third were expecting parents or adult children to move in at some point. If inviting family to live with you is not the solution, maybe you can move in with them. Or share a home with friends.
Happiness at this stage of life means aligning dreams and expectations with reality, says Mary A. Brooks, owner of Brooks Financial Planning in Colorado Springs, Colo.
That's not to say it's easy. "It may mean moving from a high-cost-of-living area of the country, selling cherished assets, and exploring the reality of Medicaid and subsidized senior housing," Brooks says.
5. Get stellar advice
Most financial planners focus on investment planning -- accumulating a big nest egg and then safeguarding and deploying it. If you're retiring broke or nearly so, investment advice isn't very useful to you.
Your best bet, if you have a tiny nest egg, is to avoid advisers who charge commissions and fees for assets under management. Look for those who charge a flat hourly or per-project rate at the Garrett Planning Network and the National Association of Personal Financial Advisors. What's more, you should find one with experience helping others who're retiring on a budget.
"A lot of planners are focused on the accumulation phase and may not have much experience with actual retirement issues. So I'd ask them who their typical client is and whether they've worked much with retirees or near-retirees," Weston says.
Vernon looks for one of three credentials: certified financial planner, chartered financial analyst or a certified public account who has earned a personal financial specialist designation. The industry is full of various credentials, some of which are worthless. Ask friends who have issues and finances similar to yours for referrals to advisers they have used.
Interview candidates, asking specifics about their experience with issues like yours and ask for references, again, from clients with issues similar to yours. Thoroughly understand the fees.
As Celia Brugge, a Memphis, Tenn., certified financial planner, tells some of her clients, "It's not that you will never be able to retire at all. However, it may look different than you anticipated."
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I find myself knowing I will not have much saved for retirement. Some is my fault some beyond my control. I however am not too concerned with not having a large sum of money to retire on since i never made big money anyway. I know how to get by on very little unlike many of the "experts" who write these stories. In fact we took a big wage cut to keep our jobs a few years back. Of course all we did was buy time for the corporate heads to get manufacturing going in China so we lost our jobs anyway. We just made less and had fewer benefits for the last five years we worked.
My wife was ill for many years and we used all of our cash (Very little anyway) and the equity in our home twice to pay medical bills before she passed away in 2004. Over the 37 years we were married we endured many bouts of unemployment and little income but we survived. Of course we didn't vacation or go to dinner very often but we were ok. The kids never went without food shelter or healthcare.
The last five years I worked for the company that closed . If I could have retired I would have actually be making $100 more a month than working with SSI and my little pension ($450/month). Sad but true. Thereality is most people fret way too much or want to live like kings in retirement so they think they must have a boatload of money to retire. I will get along just as i have with my little SSI check and my pension. If not my alternitive is to rob a bank and wait to be arrested. Room and board, TV, exersize equipment and medical care.
I retired at 55 on a TINY PENSION of $855.00 dollars a month, I had no money in the bank, I have no health insurance, no stocks, no bonds, no source of income other than $855.00 a month. I inheritated a home that was litterally a wreck the roof leaked, the plumbing was gone, it wasn't inhabitable. I had no credit. I didn't even have a phone.
This also meant that I had no bills at all! I had NO CREDIT CARDS! (Nothing, nada, zip, zero.) So that means that $855.00 dollar a month tiny pension was worth $855.00 dollars a month!!! Of free money which broke down into $213.75 a week to play with and spend on what I wanted to, NO BILLS. People laughed at me because I didn't even own a car. But I did have this going for me...,
I owned a piece of property free and clear, and I did have free medical insurance, and I had $213.75 a week to coming in. The only thing I had to buy was food. (And I do not eat that much.) So lets fast forward to today, the 5 bedroom house is repaired free and clear, no mortgage on it. And I have more money coming than I did before. I have traveled to Mexico and Belize, Carribean Cruises, I buy Christmas gifts, and I just started my own business. Oh and my Credit Score! Is zero, zero, zero... I love it! I went to the back for the fun of it to see if I could get a home improvement loan on my free and clear property.
The loan officer at the bank after he looked at my application and checked my credit score was dumb founded? He apologized and said he had never seen anyone without a credit score, or credit history. I told him thats because I pay cash for everything. If I couldn't afford it, I didn't get it!
So when I see people screaming that there property in is foreclosure and they have massive credit card debt. I don't feel sorry for them. They made those choices. Now let them suffer with them. In the meantime I'm off to Europe for travel adventure...
I think this article is allot of BS. A person has to do what is necessary at the time to survive. I grew up knowing that I would have to care for myself, work hard and save what you can if possible for retirement. Had a great job with a great retirement plan and a 401K. Was doing real good and investing wisely in my 401K than came NAFTA and 911 and all of the other crisis that put a halt to my retirement plans. The company downsized due to the competition from China, lost my job, moved on to a lesser paying job till I was able to start drawing my social security. I was advised by my Social Security office that I would be wise to take an early withdrawal under the financial circumstance that I was in and worked part-time up to the limit that was allowed. Glad I did, it gave me the income to survive under the current job market at that time, went back to work full time after full retirement age and made up for any losses that early retirement might have caused.
You can listen to all of these advisers but you need to do what is best for your survival.
It really chaps me when others try to make you feel like your wanting something for nothing if you want to draw Social Security, there are a lot of people out there that think this way....Social Security is something that you pay into, by a % deduction from each pay period and your employer matches 50% to invest into a so-called retirement for yourself, that is if you are a working class person. As business owner I have always had to, and still l have to pay 100% of my own social security (this is something you cannot elect yourself out of either) all the while the SS Admin is getting interest off of all of the money that is being collected....it is not the working class people's fault for the admin. misappropriating funds or the Government dipping into it and causing it to fail. It is our right to draw out what we have contributed to this Administration when we get to the appropriate age.
It is SSI that abuses the funds that have been collected from the working class, you know, those that have never worked or only worked a short time in their lives and draw a check for a so-called mental or physical handicap!...I'm not talking about everyone that draws SSI, only those that lie to get free money! and this is what I call misappropriating funds by our SS Admin....you just as well call it that, because there are some working in the offices that are letting these people get by collecting SSI so that they can secure their jobs! as long as we are signing people up we still have a job!!
Ok, I am 53, so does that mean that I put 7 percent of my paycheck in all my life and will get nothing back? People my age will be the poorest of the poor in that case.
I like number 5, "Get Stellar Advice"... you obviously are not going to find it here!!!
Social Security is nothing more than the worlds largest Ponzi scheme.
The guy getting the checks today does so because workers today are still forced to contribute in.
What people fail to realize is that Social Security is already BROKE.
EVERY penny which you have ever put into the Social Security "trust fund" has been spent by the United States Government already. The government has liquidated the past surplus amounts with their crazy spending. If you open this "trust fund" box all you will see is a bunch of IOU's where the government owes Social Security.
Social Security was created because FDR and the US government were sure that average Americans would not be able to save for their own retirement which might have been true at the time, but now it is not the case.
The average American would be hard pressed to take 7% of their paycheck every two weeks and completely lose it through investing it themselves as the US government has done. This is what happens when the government gets involved in doing things it was not meant to do.
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