8/17/2011 10:37 AM ET|
3 college myths that will cost you
Until now, families had to do a fair amount of digging to try to figure out what they might actually pay. They had to gather the "sticker price" cost of various schools, get an idea of their "expected family contribution" from calculators such as the one at Kantrowitz's FinAid.org, and then try to get some idea if their student was likely to get merit aid that might reduce the total cost.
Too many don't do this research, with potentially disastrous results.
"It's reckless to apply blindly and hope in the spring you'll get good news," O'Shaughnessy said. "What if you don't and you've missed the deadline for other schools?"
Fortunately, starting in October, all colleges that offer financial aid are supposed to post "net price calculators" on their websites, O'Shaughnessy said. These calculators will allow people to input various factors, including income, assets, the student's grades and test scores, to get an estimate of the net cost of the education there.
The calculators aren't perfect. Some don't include merit aid, which schools can use to significantly reduce costs for students they're trying to attract. So families will still need to do some research.
Fox recommended that families use the federal Education Department's College Navigator to figure out which schools are most likely to want their kids. Under the "admissions" tab for each school, you'll find SAT scores for the 25th and 75th percentile of students attending there. If your student's SAT scores match or exceed the 75th percentile number, "that significantly improves the chances they will offer a better financial-aid package," Fox said.
Schools may also try to recruit students for particular majors or who have particular skills (the band may need a trombone player, for example). Ferreting out that information may require a call to the admissions office. Fox attends college fairs, which are often held in large-city convention centers, to talk to admissions officials about what types of students their schools are trying to recruit.
A well-connected high school guidance counselor can be another source of leads, although you're more likely to find those in a private high school than in many public schools, where guidance counseling is frequently subject to budget cuts.
Myth No. 3: "A public school will be cheaper than a private college."
Reality: You could end up paying less for a private-school education.
"Many private colleges will offer a need-based financial-aid package or a merit-based package that brings the net price either close to or even below the cost of a public school," Fox said. "At public colleges, the financial-aid packages are much more loan-heavy, with a lower percentage of grants and scholarships."
You also need to factor in how much time it will take to graduate. Far fewer students manage to graduate from public schools in four years (29.9%), compared with private schools (51%). If you wind up paying for an additional year or two, that could dramatically increase the overall cost of a public-school education.
Those statistics are for people who started college in 2002, the latest available data from the U.S. Department of Education's National Center for Education Statistics. Since then, the situation at many public schools has gotten worse as strapped state governments have slashed education budgets.
"Students can't get the classes they need, or they're not being offered every semester," Fox said. "Parents should factor in the cost of at least an extra year when they're comparing public schools to private."
Of course, their child may be the exception, Fox said. A kid who knows what he wants to do, who is proactive enough to plan out the courses he needs, and who's first in line at registration has a shot at getting through a public college in four years.
Other kids may flail around, sometimes for years, trying to decide what they want to do. Again, private schools may have the advantage here, since they offer more guidance -- "handholding," Fox called it -- to help students settle on their majors.
A commonly recommended strategy is for students to attend a cheaper two-year college first and then transfer to a four-year college. This can work well for motivated students. Less motivated students, though, might attend only part time and never complete a degree at all. Without a degree, all the money paid for education is essentially cash down the drain.
Community college "can be like a sand trap," O'Shaughnessy warned. "You may not get out of it."
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From going through the system, and witnessing the consequences, here is my suggestion to the country: vocational schools and technical training. We are so in need of more electricians, carpenters, welders and others with specialized skills. Not every person needs to go to college in order to have a fulfilling job. Those skills that are learned by apprenticeship and vocational training are just as important, if not more, because they allow the country and its inhabitants to keep on living in our concrete world. Auto mechanics are so important and they know so much about machinery, that it would be devastating to lose them. Please push for vocational training as much as college - I think it would pay great dividends in the future.
I was lucky in my experience. I was always a very technical person, so I thought engineering would fit me great. I attended a great school for civil engineering...about half way through the first semester, I knew that wasn't going to be my thing, so I switched to mechanical engineering. I got about 2 years into the degree before my dad got me a nice summer job as an engineering intern. I was good enough at it that the company offered to hire me on full time, and after one year, if I kept my grades up, they would pay for the rest of my education. I somewhat enjoyed the job, but I couldn't help but think it wasn't really what i wanted to do. Eventually I found myself doing some work for the IT department. I was really good at that, the company offered to move me in that position and still pay for schooling. So in my case, I had what i thought was a pretty good idea of what i wanted to do, but through different circumstances, I wound up switching my major 3 times. I was lucky the company I worked for picked up some of the tab, but I was still $17,000 in debt from the first 3 years of my education. I can't imagine how much debt I would be in if I didn't get a nice job while still in school, or even worse, gone that far in debt and found out only after I graduated that I wasn't happy doing the work.
There are so many things wrong with the "college experience."
Ignorance is costly. A good college education doesn't just provide you with a degree, it teaches you to be a critical thinker and how to do research. It can help you in numerous ways throughout your life. That said, college kids have often been sold a bill of goods. They're told that a degree will automatically get them a good-paying job and is worth whatever the expense. Not true. It'll be difficult to pay off $200,000 in student loan debts if one's degree is in philosophy. Other degrees are in greater demand and the jobs pay better, while certain colleges cost less. It's a combination of the two that is important to consider. Community colleges are a great example of how to cut costs almost by half. Suze Orman's rule of thumb is that one shouldn't take on more student loan debt than one can earn in salary the first year out of college.
From starting my college career to ending my undergrad, I have seen my 1-semester tuition rise from $1900 to $4300. Now how can someone tell me, in all good conscious, that the price is not inflated? With all the communications and business management grads out there with a crappy job, how can you tell me that the degrees mean so much? I am lucky that I will be graduating with a hard science degree and excellent job experience (all from very hard work) that will allow me to continue to find work in the field. But, if people are reading this and believing it, PLEASE DON'T! Ask a college student now and formulate your own opinion! Please overhaul the education system!
I attended CU Boulder recently. I was paying 500 dollars a month for my dorm room. It was a 10ft by 14ft box that i shared with another dude and the restrooms were shared with everyone on my side of the hall. How does that work out? Even at the high price of living in boulder you can find yourself some single apartments in the area for that price. And they force you to live in the dorms for your freshmen year, so everyone has to pay these asinine prices for a box that they share with another person.
Just one example of how they totally rip kids off. The shear cost of classes could be exhibit two i guess.
That is completely wrong. The FAFSA form does not that into account how much debt you have. It only looks at gross income and assets. Say you make 10k a month and have 9k in monthly payments which would leave you 1k disposable income for a grand total of 12k per year. But the FAFAS form says you have 120k of disposable income that is the problem.
Parent's assets don't always count less than income. All of my grandparents died before I was in high school so my parents had already inherited a modest amount of money from them. They also lived below their means to be able to save money for themselves and some for their kids too.
The result? FAFSA calculated my families expected contribution as MORE THAN MY PARENTS INCOME!!! Yes, the government decided my parents could spend their entire income on my college AND MORE. Luckily I had a ton of merit based scholarships to counteract the absolute BS of FAFSA.
Need further proof of the BS? A friend whose family made TWICE what mine did, but they just bought an expensive house and all four family members had brand new luxury cars. Because of all that debt he received a ton of financial need based money. Lesson? Put yourself in debt the year before your kid goes to college.
Maybe if there was no financial aid it wouldn't be the biggest monopoly around.
Student loans are not aid, That's the biggest myth of all. They should be called delayed burdens.
Do college graduates make more money? We use this example in one of my statistic's classes. As my professor said, "With statistics, you can come up with any conclusion you want, if you choose the "right " input data".
Add these people back into the carefully selected sampling and the whole argument falls apart.
If I had to do it all over again, it would be Heating and Air/Conditioning school for me.
I have mixed feelings about college. On one hand, I do have a good job and am happy in my field, on the other hand, I owe Sallie Mae over 100 grand in loan debt.
My sister however, tried college for a while, went for about 2 semesters (changing majors both semesters) and just wasn't happy with either of them so she decided to take a break and work for a while to decide what she wanted to do. She ended up getting a job at an insurance company that my sister-in-law worked at and now has a promotion in that job and makes almost as much as I do with $0 in loan debt.
My mom also went to college, but didn't finish because she got married. Her degree was to become a nurse, but because she didn't get a degree, she could only become a nurse's aide. It was a job she hated, and she had to work at 2 other jobs to be able to afford to care for her children and pay off loan debt. Years later, she meets someone that works at a jewelry store, they become friends and her friend helps her take a couple courses and become a jewelry salesperson. She does that for a while and loves it. She now works for a large jewelry chain and makes close to a hundred grand a year doing something she had no college experience for.
Lesson: I probably would have skipped college altogether and just took training courses or something cheaper. I paid for a lot of classes I will never use again and honestly did not learn much in even my main courses. Most of my skill has come from personal research and finding ways to better myself. In the end, you get jobs because of how much effort you put into what you want to do and who you know.
If you want a liberal arts degree, don't come to Georgia for it! They pad an extra $900 in mandatory fees (every semester attended) on top of your course credit fees. Mandatory fees for building usage ($75), technology fee ($58), etc. But the major mandatory fee that puts the "ants in my pants" is the athletic fee for $141 which I will not be participating in nor attending any athletic events. If another student wants to participate in sports, pay your own damn fee to play, or pay your own season tickets if you wish to see a sports event -- your not joy riding at my expense! B.S.
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