10/1/2012 3:38 PM ET|
Denied credit? Maybe you're dead
Lots of people 'die' every year, at least on paper, and untangling the mistake can be a big headache. Here's what to do if you learn you've 'died.'
Rejected for a loan because your credit history was shut down? It might be because the credit bureaus think you're dead.
About 1,000 people per month get mistakenly declared dead by the Social Security Administration, according to government estimates. Many more get falsely reported as deceased by their bank or credit card issuer, or by one of the big three credit bureaus -- Experian, Equifax and TransUnion.
Often, when victims find out that they have been mistakenly declared dead, they assume that proving they're alive and well will be easy. Instead, they find they will have to wait a month or more before lenders will acknowledge their living, breathing, bill-paying status.
Or, in more extreme cases, they're told that they must be mistaken. They can't possibly be alive right now because investigators have looked into their case -- and records show they've passed away.
"There's a sense of powerlessness, a sense that you are disenfranchised," says James Willis, a California journalist and professor who was mistakenly declared dead by Capital One two years ago. Willis had started a new job and was getting ready to buy a house when he learned that, according to credit-reporting agency Experian, he had recently died.
"The news of my demise came in the form of a credit alert from Experian," Willis recalls. "It said a potentially negative item had just been posted to my credit report."
When Willis followed up, he learned that one of his lenders, Capital One, had written off his charges as uncollectible because they believed that he was dead. Experian then froze his report, shutting out the mortgage company that Willis had enlisted to help him buy his house.
"When a credit card company declares you dead, then they send that notice on to the credit-reporting agencies, and then your credit history gets locked down," explains Willis. "You cannot access it. Nobody can access it, because of the fact they assume you're dead."
At that point, being mistakenly declared dead shifts from minor annoyance to potential big, costly problem, says Jim Francis, a consumer lawyer in Philadelphia who has represented clients who have been declared dead on paper.
"The real problem with being marked as deceased on a credit account is you can't get a credit score," says Francis. "It's impossible to get credit to the extent that most banks, mortgages (and) car dealerships require a credit score to assess risk. They have no possibility of getting that, and so there's no way of getting credit.
"That's the real problem and the real harm," he adds.
Getting resurrected takes time
The amount of time it takes for "dead" consumers to be brought back to life can also hurt, say consumer advocates. Credit bureaus have 30 days under the Fair Credit Reporting Act to investigate a credit dispute and check on whether the information they have on file is correct.
However, that's a long time to wait if a consumer is in the midst of applying for a time-sensitive loan, such as a mortgage, or is applying for a job and needs an immediate credit check, says Todd Mark, vice president for education at the Consumer Credit Counseling Service of Greater Dallas. "Those are situations where you don't want to have to wait 30 days or longer for a dispute to be initiated," says Mark.
In the meantime, customer-service representatives are rarely able to help speed up the process, which can be frustrating for a consumer who's on a tight deadline, says Willis, the customer mistakenly declared dead by Capital One.
Short on time and anxious to erase Capital One's mistake, Willis says he spent several hours on the phone, trying to get someone to help him in time to close on his home loan.
However, the workers at Capital One told him there was nothing they could do. Instead, Willis had to wait for the bank's computers to process an investigation into the mistake and report back to the credit bureaus, he says.
"I don't think you're dead," Willis says one customer-service representative told him over the phone. "I know you're alive, but our computer is in control and our computer has 30 days to rectify the situation."
"That's when it took kind of a leap into the twilight zone for me," says Willis. "Even though the individuals at Capital One believed I was alive, no one seemed to be able to do anything about the computer."
Eventually, Capital One figured out that it had mixed up Willis with his deceased father, James Willis Sr., and restored his account. However, by that time, Willis had already spent countless hours trying to resurrect his credit.
"That's what started weighing on me," says Willis of the time spent trying to get the mistake corrected. "I was starting a new job at the time, and it was just a lot of time devoted to it -- a lot of distraction that was caused by this.
"One of the frustrating things is to try to get them to understand that your time is valuable," he adds.
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It may take months -- or years -- to resolve
Willis was lucky. He was able to get his dispute resolved in less than a month and closed on his house just in time. However, other consumers have had to wait much longer to get their financial lives back on track.
Francis, the consumer lawyer in Philadelphia, says that many of his clients came to him in desperation after submitting their disputes through the credit-reporting agencies' automated dispute process and getting nowhere.
"They tried sending detailed disputes, documentation (saying), 'Here I am. This is my Social Security number. This is obviously not me.' And surprisingly, in a bizarre fashion, the credit-reporting agency verified them as being deceased," he says.
That's when their lives turned upside down. Not only could they not get credit, but they had no idea how long it would take the credit bureaus to figure out the mistake.
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It is my opinion that the Credit Bureaus are lying when they tell you they are "investigating" the matter, and this is why: the typical "investigation" involves contacting the entity that gave them the incorrect information in the first place, so the reply you get is that the information they have is correct, and you can't convince them otherwise. I battled with them to DELETE an inactive 15 year old, "paid in full never late" account that was being reported as CURRENT to no avail. I demanded to know how it was possible that Steinbach's, a company that went bankrupt nearly 20 years ago could possibly continue to keep my account “current”, and since they do not exist, who was giving information about it to the bureaus? The answer: we have no contacts or phone number we can give you, but the information stands as correct.
After many days of anger, frustration, and internet searches, I found an old article about a company in Ohio having purchased Steinbach’s accounts (paid up and unpaid). I called them up, and surely they had my records, but alas, they too refused to DELETE the account SINCE the merchant was out of business, because (they said) my account was in good standing. I tried to no avail to reason with them, asking if it was possible for me to use that card anywhere and make purchases. Of course not, they said, there is no more Steinbach’s store, so your credit card is useless; I agree, and that is precisely why I want you to delete it. No way. End result was that my contacting the Credit Bureaus re-started the whole thing all over again, and now I would have to wait at least 7 years before they would delete it as “old”. I was livid that I, the owner of that account had absolutely no saying concerning incorrect information on my file. It’s a racket!
The credit agencies are nothing but a scam anyway. I pay for everything in cash or save up enough until I can. I bought my house and my wife's car that way. It is SO much easier on the wallet to NOT pay overbearing interest fees.
I don't allow my life to be held hostage by credit agencies that only value people who are in debt.
I have the same first and last name as my mother, although with differing middle names. When my mother died, instead of her credit being cut off, it was all transferred to my credit report. I was not a signatory on any of my mother's accounts and all bills/invoices went to the lawyer handling her estate. However, bills that weren't paid while the estate was in probate were reported as late payments on MY credit.
It took considerable time, effort and expense to prove to the credit agencies that a-my mother and I were two separate individuals; b-my mother was deceased; and c-unless I had been an uncommonly precocious child, no one had granted me credit accounts 5-7 years BEFORE MY BIRTH.
What was first a reliance on computers has become a virtual enslavement to them. Humans aren't running the show anymore. All you are told is that 'the computer won't allow it'. The very definition of insanity.
YOU: I'm not dead.
CREDIT BUREAU: Yes he is.
YOU: No I'm not!
CREDIT BUREAU: Well he will be soon, he's very old.
YOU: I'm getting better.
CREDIT BUREAU: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment!
These credit reporting agencies don't care whose lives they screw up. You can have all the wrong personal information on your reports and try to straighten that out, and they don't care. I found out through a check on the web that there was a person in my old hometown w/ my same first middle and last name it was eerie he even had one of my old phone numbers. The credit agencies had me all screwed up. Luckily I was able to rectify that situation, but they have had me all messed up on other things for years, like w/ medical bills and such. I think since the government seems to have their nose in everything else why can't they look into the way these credit reporting agencies ruin peoples lives. These agencies should also have more points of contact than just a letter you should be able to get someone on a phone. I guess they just don't want to listen to you telling them how bad they have just up your chances of getting that first house or car. I think everyone needs a chance and they ruin hopes and dreams for a lot of hard working people that deserve a chance to have some credit.
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