8/2/2011 4:17 PM ET|
Your best friends' bank: You
Payback is eventual
Mario Golden's friends know he cares: He routinely covers their entertainment expenses if they run short and makes cash loans for everything from tuition to pizza. They have a name for his largesse: "Mario credit."
"The longest that they've taken to pay me back was about a year," says Golden, who works in the software industry.
Only occasionally do people abuse the system. Recently, a friend who owed $100 planned to buy a fancy item of clothing. Golden was irritated: "It's like he put (his) debt at the very end of the list."
Sometimes Golden asks for the cash but feels "bad" doing it. That may be what some borrowers are counting on, says roommate Monique Muro: "A friend isn't going to put a collections agency on you."
Golden makes the same mistake that a lot of us do: telling people to pay us back whenever they can. That phrase that could be interpreted as "sometime between today and never." Is it any wonder that friends go shopping instead of making payments?
Sign here, please
"It's all about communication and setting expectations," says Deborah Hutchison, a co-author of "Put It in Writing! Creating Agreements Between Family and Friends."
It might feel weird to ask your best bud to sign for the money. But that paperwork just might save your friendship. Whether it's a formal document or a promissory note scribbled on a cocktail napkin, a loan agreement prevents misunderstandings. Your friend knows when payments should begin, and you won't be in the position of reminding him or her.
In theory, anyway. A written promise can be ignored as easily as a handshake deal. But at least you have something to refer to.
Closing the bank?
I've lent a fair amount of money in my day. Currently, I'm owed $2,900 in unsecured loans. A few months ago, I realized I had to close the bank because:
- Saving for my retirement is a priority.
- My health insurance is pricey.
- I'm single; there's no partner to shore up my finances.
- I help out several strapped relatives.
- I like to go places, but even frugal travel costs money.
Thus, I can't afford to lay out any more cash, especially since I may never see that $2,900 again. Of course, I knew that going in. So should you -- before you write the check.
"There's so many situations where you're not going to get the money back," says Carmen Wong Ulrich, the author of "The Real Cost of Living: Making the Best Choices for You, Your Life and Your Money."
Never lend more than you can afford to lose. In fact, think long and hard before lending at all.
"I'm not a fan of mixing friendship with money," Ulrich says. "I've seen relationships be destroyed over this. It tends to be toxic."
There's an app for that
Technology can help keep the bank of best friends running smoothly. PayPal has a mobile app that allows one person to put expenses on a credit card and friends to pay him back electronically by bumping their cellphones against his.
California resident Nikolaos Pavlou, who lives with five other people, says PayDivvy makes for truly fair shares. In the past, a roommate would sometimes forget to kick in for the cable or electricity, which meant someone else "would have to eat the cost."
"It's scary to think what would have happened to all that money before," Pavlou says.
His favorite part of the system? The electronic reminder. If you've lent money to a friend, you can "ping" him instead of calling, which is "never a nice conversation," Pavlou says.
Here are a few more tactics:
- Keep track. Write down any loans you make or expenses you initially cover. "With so much going on in our lives, it's easy to forget," says Golden.
- Compromise. Can't afford to split the tab at a pricey bistro? Suggest cheaper alternatives: a happy-hour pub crawl or a daily deal voucher.
- Eliminate transactions altogether. Invite a friend over for wine and snacks. Visit a free museum. Walk in the park.
- Say something. Some friends are supercasual about money. Others are just leeches. Once you've identified a pattern, call them on it: "I paid for you twice in the past month. I can't afford to keep doing that. Sorry."
Note: The above techniques may get you called cheapskate. Would you rather be known as "that numbskull who keeps buying us beer"? Let them grumble, and keep your money in your wallet.
Unless, of course, you like being taken advantage of. You numbskull.
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At my last job I had one of those friends/co-workers. She always had boxes of QVC and expensive taste but when it was time for lunch...it was a different story. I ordered Chinese twice w/ her and when she only gave me $8 for her $7.99 meal I was done. No taxes and no tip? After that whenever they asked I said no. I brought leftovers from home most of the time. If I wanted to buy I would just go by myself.
Oh, not just grammAR. It is English not english.
My husband and I make a good bit more money than any of our friends but in trying to pay off our house as early as possible we live fairly frugally. We find that having everyone over to our house where we provide most of the snacks(hot and cold) is a good way to treat everyone and not spend a lot. They, in turn, bring what they want to drink and any additional food (esp dessert) they want but none is required. We always pick up the tab if we ask them out but if they ask we go dutch unless they really make a fuss about picking up the tab
In the end its not about the money, its about good friends and the joy they bring. If we put out a little more money, it's totally worth it!
BUT we never lend money..and if some day we did, it would be with clear rules and goals
I'm old enough to have "weeded" out all the moochers in my life. The friends that I do have now, I can say, "I'm broke." You would be amazed at how many people say they are too. I often get people that are relieved when I'm honest.
My hubs has an Uncle that is horribly cheap. He abuses everyone that he can to save a penny. On my husbands birthday, his uncle's car broke down. So hubs spent hours in the cold, fixing it in a bar parking lot. We had dinner waiting, presents and everything else for hubs but that had to wait. His uncle bought him a $1 beer once it was fixed and said that was all he was getting as payment. That same uncle also, came to our house for Thanksgiving. Brought a cheap $5 pie and acted as if we were in debt to him. And then bossed me around to "serve him" all night. Then broke our phone and said, "oh well" and left. Now you can see why we have weeded people out!
I think how you treat people who loan you money makes a difference too.
For example, I have one friend I loaned money to who (as also mentioned in this article) does little things for me - like offer to drive my kids places where she might be going with her kids too or is quick to offer her car if my breaks down. She has not paid me back, but I don't mind as she pays me back little by little in favors and help. In my mind, she is repaying, even though money does not come in. I could not care less if she never repays actual money to me. She is paying in trade as far as I am concerned.
Another (former) friend on the other hand, borrowed money, then acted like I was being overbearing money shark is I asked for a favor (even small ones that had nothing to do with the loan). In fact, she once asked me to dinner with she and her husband (where they racked up a $50 tab) and then did not offer to pick up my $8 tab. It is small, it is petty, but that $8 would have gone a long way to tell me that while she did not exactly have the money to pay me back, she appreciated that I had done that for her. I had loaned her literally $1000s and not only was she not paying me back, but acted like it was her right to be "loaned" that money and she owed nothing back as long as she had other things she wanted to buy.
How you treat people who were kind enough to loan you money intrest free makes a huge difference in how quick they want to be paid back or if they even want to be paid back. If a friend needs money, no problem. I also get that it can be hard to pay someone back. But if you try to give back in other ways, you may find your loan forgiven.
I have two good friends. One makes good money but has huge debt. (yes we talk about these things) The other friend is as poor as I am so she understands the not being able to indulge. My friend who makes a fair amount of money consistantly pays for my meals. I offer to pay for my portion but she typically picks up the tab. I pay the tip then. Once in a very blue moon I pay for hers. I feel incrediablly guilty when she pays for my share. I want to spend time with my friend but would rather do something I can afford. She states she does not mind as she likes to go out to eat. Needless to say money is a touchy situation and in all cases you should be upfront about it as it can cost you a friendship if not.
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