10 ways your 401k can fail you

The perfect retirement plan has yet to be invented. Avoid these threats to your 401k to help keep your retirement savings on track.

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May 29, 2012 6:33PM
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401K plans were never meant to replace pensions. They were originally created as a perk for highly paid executives and were called "salary reduction plans", before being renamed for the tax code that makes them possible. The thinking was, the more these executives were paid, the more they could afford to contribute from their paycheck, and the more thay had for retirement, on TOP of the old-stand by pension and Social Security. They were also portable as executives often moved from one company to another.

 

It all sounds pretty good when the markets are hot, but when they falter, people lose LOTs of money. Today, if you are a moderately paid employee and are relying on a 401k as if it were a pension, you are facing having to work well past the current retirement age to even make ends meet until you reach, a shaky, yet still available Social Security fund.

May 29, 2012 7:02PM
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My 401(k) has already failed me.   I lost principal, which never would have happened with a passbook savings account.  On top of that, the taxes don't just go away.  I have to pay them NOW when my income is lower.  That, plus the exorbitant fees the mutual fund company charges, gives me about a 70 cent return for every dollar I think I have left.  I wish I had put it all in savings accounts, CD's, bonds and other such instruments 30 years ago.  Now I am 65, retired, and finding out the ugly truth.  Whose idea was it to talk all of us into this in the first place?  Oh, yeah, I remember now, the Wall Street crowd who are milking us dry.
Jun 3, 2012 12:10AM
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I worked for a major communications co for 30 years; with a 401k. I retired in 1998. At that time the stocks hence the 401k nose-dived. At that dime we were not able to access our accounts. We could only watch as our life savings deteriorated. At the first chance I moved funds to an IRA then moved again to another firm after dismal results. Long story short, I lost 2/3 of my savings and it continues to decline. After placing my savings in several high profile investment companies, I'm worse off now than ever. If I live long enough I'll probably have nothing. Over a lifetime I've come to the conclusion that investing is for those with inside information, money to lose, and schemers who could care less about a working person loosing their savings.
May 29, 2012 6:35PM
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Don't believe them.  There is no such thing as bulletproof.  That's what the real estate people told the people buying homes, and that's what the stock market people promised.  As soon as a good market share moves their money over to the funds they claim are bulletproof, they will find a way to change the laws, or destroy it somehow or speculation will bring the prices down, and then they will say "sorry".
May 29, 2012 8:46PM
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"they" always make it sound like 401k is a savings plan,when its not...you are investing(gambling) in the stock mkt,bonds,etc...another big problem.....,while working and in 401k mode,you cant pull your money out till the days closes.if the mkt is crashing,and you want to stop the bleeding,you have to wait till the end of the day....another way the funds,or crooks can steal your money.
May 29, 2012 10:55PM
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My wife and I have company with 175 employees. We have a 401k. Employees after 1 yr can join. We match first 3%  then half of next 2% for max 4%. Everyone is fully vested from day one. It's their $ and only they can decide what to invest it in or when they pull out funds. If they withdraw any  before age 59-1/2, IRS says they pay 10% penalty on amount withdrawn. No matter what age withdrawals are taxed at taxpayers current tax rate (ordinary income). 

There can be other versions depending on how each company wants to structure them..
May 29, 2012 6:13PM
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I do know one thing here most people here have no idea about inflation actual money value, and no idea why investment companies want your money, so you can take the inflation and value loss. If you put in 100,000 in 1990 and put nothing in since then, you better from only that money have at least 300,000 thousand just to brake even in actual value!---never mind the increased Dollar value, you have to pay taxes on when you take the money out, pending how much you take out a year!
May 29, 2012 9:13PM
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The enticing 401K plan is the same old version of the company pension plan prior to the 1930’s. Companies used employee pensions to play the stock market and when it crashed it was the employee who lost everything. In 2009 twenty percent of US companies eliminated matching employee’s contributions and another twenty nine percent were working to reduce or eliminate company contributions. They have your money and if stocks drop it isn’t the company funds that are lost no different than the pension plans that went south with the company.
May 29, 2012 9:21PM
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IndyMan does not undersand that all 401K's are not the same.  Some companies might work like he says, but I worked for a company that you could get in after three years and at all times from that time forward, I was fully vested.  My money was not with the company, but an investment firm and I had full control if it at all times.
May 29, 2012 5:56PM
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As to rolling over a 401K into a new employer's 401k beware!  If the new employer

has underfunded his plan, you could lose some of your hard earned retirement nestegg.

And it is legal for the employer to do this.  It is almost always better to roll into an individual

IRA. The money is safer, and you have some choices.

 

And as far as the death benefits in a 401k, it is a modular plan. You can plug in a new

module.  What module?  If you use a whole life policy you can divert up to 50% of your

older contributions into the life insurance to fund it, and if it is a UL policy, up to 25%.

REMEMBER, ALL OF THE CASH VALUE BECOMES DEATH BENEFIT, AND, UPON

DEATH IS TREATED AS TAX FREE!   PRETTY GOOD TRICK!

Jun 3, 2012 8:15PM
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Wall street wants you to buy the mutual funds they are dumping, the stocks they are dumping and they will make money in commissions from you and all 401K contributors. Do not buy their stock "recommendations" concentrate in companies that make sense and have earnings already or  that you will get products and services from them. Pfizer, AAPL, MSFT. How can you pay $42.00 for Facebook when Microsoft is selling for $28 and change?????
May 29, 2012 8:05PM
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Biggest fail with 401(k) is over funding past the employer match.  It's not what you make it's what you keep.  All gains in 401(k) are taxable.  Roth IRA is the answer.  All gains are tax free...you keep 100% of everything you withdraw after 59 1/2.  66% of people that qualify to have a Roth do not have one.
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I'm sorry, but I have a friend who has their Series 6 and 63 license and I listen to him more than MSN money.  Just like when you're sick you go to a doctor, but when you're sick financially who do you go to?  A registered representative of course.  There are companies out there that help you manage your assets and put you in the right position to rid yourself of money problems.  That's why he 99% will stay the 99%, limited thinking.
Jun 15, 2012 2:10PM
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After reading this article, I noticed there is one glaring omission among the 10 ways a 401k can fail you.  #1: A 401k cannot guarantee an income for the rest of your life.  Isn't this the whole point towards saving for retirement?!?  The other 10 ways are awful enough.  A 401k  is a retirement scam created in partnership by the government as a loophole for excessive taxation and Wall Street as a way to lock you into a scheme for the rest of your life where they get to bilk you for fees whether the funds perform or not!  If you haven't researched Bank on Yourself, google it and discover what I learned 5 years ago and put your 401k to rest.
Jun 4, 2012 5:21PM
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After reading the posts below, one has to wonder if most people are REALLY this dumb/naive?  OR are the posters here truly all con men trying to take advance of the ignorant?  SCARY!
Jun 4, 2012 4:43PM
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Truthhurts,

 

Are you serious?  You need to clarify if you are discussing Defined BENEFIT or Defined CONTRIBUTION Plane?  Defined benefit plans were/are a long-term problem that did not work -- this is why most companies and governments has beeen trying ot get away from them for decades.  Social Security is THE definition of a giant Ponzi Scheme.  The obvious answer is for people to become PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE and SELF RELIANT and get educated on their investments available in a defined CONTRIBUTION Plan like as 401k, 403b, etc.  A 401k is a great tool, as long as the costs are low and the fund choices diverse with good performance -- with a good mix of domestic stock, international stock, index funds, domestic bonds, I-bonds, international bonds, money market.  The key is to NOT try to time every market turn but also to NOT always let it ride like a lemming.  Frankly, this most recent market drop was visable to EVERYONE who has followed the markets the last few years and to anyone who has read a column about the "Out in May" strategy.  It does NOT mean that everyone else is a "shark" just because an investor is too stupid to see the forest for the trees! 

May 29, 2012 5:19PM
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Just buy stocks . Don't pay a fund manager for 401k.
Jun 4, 2012 1:40PM
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If you want your 401k to be worthless vote for our orthless "president" again.
May 29, 2012 9:19PM
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I have $10,000 and retired  do I have to pay taxes how much
May 29, 2012 8:53PM
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One comment about 401K's.  The employer's contributions

to your part of the plan won't vest for 5 years from when you

start.  But they stay in the plan to be spread out to the other

participants in the plan if/when you leave.

So, it benefits those in upper/middle management to keep

you on the payroll and terminate before the 5 year vesting

kicks in.  That way they benefit from the employer contributons

paid into the plan on your behalf.

 

Sure, you get your contributions back, but not the employer's

match.  Your boss gets to add that to his.  Sound fair?

 

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