5 ways your 401k leaks money

Picking the right funds for your retirement account is critical, but so is understanding how to maximize your savings. Here's what you can do to keep more of your money.

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Jul 17, 2012 1:11PM
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It's funny you should mentions the fees.  The only reason 401(k)'s are offered is to provide a revenue stream to the financial services industry.   It was never intended to be an effective way to prepair for retirement.  Unfortunately, it's the only employer sponsored plan available to the majority of Americans.   The financial services industry should be embarassed that they have never devised a more effective product.  It is a pathetic and tragic situation.
Jul 22, 2012 10:29AM
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What every 401k article should focus on is scrapping the system altogether and replace it with something better. What a huge scam it is: limited fund choices, your employer choosing your investment choices, hidden fees, inability to roll it over into a self-directed IRA unless you leave/ are terminated from your job, etc..
Jul 23, 2012 7:35AM
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One of my 401k's was worth $50,000 invested in the second largest telco in the USA at the time. When it got down to $1,000 I was thrown out of my 401k by Merrill Lynch and the stock certificates sent to me. When they arrived they were worth 0 but I still had to claim $1,000 on my income taxes as income. No wonder Canada is now richer than the USA. Saving retirement 401k plan has 0 security. Bernie Ebbers(CEO) rots in jail & Sullivan (CFO) got away with minor punishment. Stock, property, cash and presious metal will see you through to retirement. Diversify and trust no one.

Jul 18, 2012 8:52AM
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I'm just suggesting that plan administrators should be required to be honest with their participants.  Before participants contribute to a plan they should be told that while the 401k is referred to as a retirement plan, very few people realize much of a benefit from it in their old age.   Participants should also receive a disclaimer from the IRS apologizing for misleading them.  The concept of avoiding taxation at today’s level so you can pay a higher tax rate on those dollars in the future is ridiculous.  You are not likely to be in a lower bracket in retirement.  If you want to pretend otherwise, help yourself.    So what's the solution?   Save and invest after tax dollars on your own, and realize that the financial services industry can never be trusted to look out for your best interests.   They believe that wearing a tie exempts them from needing an ethical business model.  

Jul 22, 2012 11:26PM
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The 401K is a scam.  I invested that max every year for twenty years.  In half that time,  I was able to save almost as much after taxes as what I had accrued in my 401K with company match.  For me, it wouldn't have worked-out worse had I just placed all those contributions, after tax, in a simple savings account despite the low interest rates.
Jul 16, 2012 11:36AM
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Wow, what a confusing and misleading article! First you tout the value of company matches which shouldn't be passed up and then you state that if fees are too high then consider retirement investing elsewhere. So go buy an IRA with no match and returns of next to nothing is basically what you are saying. It must be stated that most funds have fees of some sort depending on the type of fund and how much it is actively managed. For example an index fund may only have expenses of 17 basis points while a small cap fund may have expenses in excess of 100 basis points.

 

It also should be known that most corporate 401k funds are able to purchase institutional shares which carry lower fees than other types of shares. The bottom line is that providers must be paid for their services as well as fund managers. You wouldn't suggest that investment managers work for free, so it is up to the 401k fiduciary to ascertain whether fees are reasonable and fair. Disclosure of fees is being done now, so all participants will be informed of all fees and can make appropriate investment selections.

Jul 17, 2012 3:24PM
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As a 401(k) Plan advisor I find it interesting that participants think that those who provide services to the Plan should work for free.  The truth is no one works for free, if they do it is called service or volunteerism.  With that being said there is a big problem with how much money participants are charged.  With the new regulations that have come out, 408(b)(2) and 404(a)(5), Plan Fiduciaries and Trustees to the Plan should know how much the Plan is being charged as well as the participants should know how much comes out of their account each quarter.  The fact of the matter is, is that the big insurance companies and financial institutions (Nationwide, John Hancock, Principal, Fidelity) have all devised ways to hide fees from participants.  On August when participants receive their statement look to see how much money is coming out of your account, if you do not see anything ask your HR director for the full disclosure of the fees being charged to the Plan.  Even though there may not be fees on your statement I can guarantee that there are fees coming out somewhere, unless being paid by the Plan Sponsor.

If you want to benchmark your returns for the last quarter ending 6/30 google Cannon Capital Management and click on Newsletters and read the first article on the page.  At the bottom of the article it will have risk based portfolio returns compared to the Morningstar benchmark.  See how yours compared.  If you want a change in your 401(k) talk to the people that can make that happen at the company, your HR department can get the ball rolling.
Jul 22, 2012 2:37PM
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Although you got a thumb down Snook, some people arent too bright....I agree with you.

 

Way too many limitations in 401s and hardly enough choices to even spark interest.

Fees which are sometimes paid, by Corporations; May not be today?

Mutual Funds which have "very poor performance" in the last 10 years, because of Market conditions and "sickly performance" by Fund Managers...Which 95% of them didn't deserve a paycheck, let alone any bonuses....Same goes for Administrators "if they didn't attempt to protect your assets."

With a larger variety of stocks/equities and maybe additional Funds Mut/ETFs, investors might fare better...

Outside any "matching contributions", a 401 should have at least another hundred selections..

When in reality there are several, 7000-9000 choices for anyone else.

Then you have the capability of building your own fund, which we have been doing for about 15 years....And I will match our Performance against anyone else's.

Jul 22, 2012 10:51PM
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I think this whole 401(k) was a scam from its inception.  At age 65, I am now taking money out, and what a shock!  You lose 30% on every dolllar when you take it out.  20% federal taxes, 7% state taxes, and all the rest goes to the enormous fees the mutual fund companies charge.  I am telling every young couple I know:  #1  Only invest post tax dollars.  You need a tax shelter like a moose needs a hat rack.  You probably have dependent children, a mortgage, and other deductions that you will not have when you retire.  Pay the taxes now when they are the lowest they will ever be for you.   #2  If you like to gamble, feel free to play around with the stock market, mutual funds, etc, but DO NOT entrust your retirement to that high tech casino.  Invest your money in a variety of safe instruments, CD's, bonds, online money market accounts, yes, even passbook savings accounts at a bank.  You won't earn much interest, but that money will always be there for you, with no taxes to pay, no fees,  and no federal regulations to follow regarding when you can take it out.  Taking money from a savings account is as easy as taking it out of your own back pocket.  #3  Save A LOT!  I mean, sacrifice.  Go without.  Most people will never have enough for retirement, even if they literally saved every paycheck, but with Republicans threatening to kill Social Security and Medicare, you will be on your own and you will need boatloads of money.
Jul 21, 2012 2:27PM
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Your first step should be to buy I-Bonds directly from the U.S. Treasury. No middle man fees and no federal income taxes until you cash the bonds. You'll get an inflation adjusted return, and you'll avoid the skim from the financial services industry (that's a beautiful thing). If your employer provides a match in its 401(k) plan, save at least enough to get it and invest in low-cost, broadly diversified index funds, like a total U.S. stock market index and total international stock market index. Limit your exposure to the stock market, however - it's little more than a casino now and, even if you do well in the market for years, you'll be in big trouble if it tanks as you're about to retire. The U.S. is about to get a painful demonstration that 401(k) plans do not properly prepare middle class workers for retirement, even if the workers do everything right (save a lot, diversify, etc.). MIddle class workers need pensions, but they'll have to fight greedy executives to get them. Good luck trying that without strong unions.

Jul 31, 2012 10:46AM
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It is sad with all the bally-hoo about higher education that there is little to nothing taught in the education system about basic money management and investing. How many "educated" people can't tell you the differences between a savings bond, corporate bond and muni bond, let alone know the basics of how to evaluate stocks or yield vs gain. Most of the "money managers" are in business to make money for themselves, that's called how they earn a living, and like most other professions some are good, some are bad and most are someplace in between. For those of us who never had a 401K plan available to them it's aggrevating to see people berate the plan they have, hey it's better than nothing guys, if you don't like it then you have IRA options etc. If you don't do your homework, pay attention and follow thru then shame on you, the education is free just visit your local library and read read read (stay away from broker seminars as all they want to do is sell you something). I have self directed IRA's averaging 10% and a financial "expert" I ain't. A very wise man taught me that it is not how much you have but what you do with it that counts....
Jul 22, 2012 2:53AM
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You'll watch all your money vaporize w/hyperinflation where do you think all the debt is heading? The whole system is a scam. Reading main stream contents in these articles give a sense of well being or workable. You tube some of the videos on hyperinflation or economic collapse some bad out comes could be on the horizon and soon. QE3 will make it worse. Your 401 may buy a loaf of bread.
Jul 22, 2012 9:06AM
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If you are working, you have to be diligent about investing in your 401k.  When the market is down, when the market is up, keep contributing, it'll pay off in the long run.  Keep an eye on excessive fund fees too.
Jul 17, 2012 4:46PM
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One of the best ways to prevent your 401K from leaking money, if you ever have to convert it to an IRA:  Avoid the high-risk, high costs (fees/transaction costs) of financial advisers/money managers.  In just 4 years with Fisher Investments, my IRA "leaked" or actually "gushed" over -15% + thousands of dollars in "investment advisory fees".  To find the truth about Fisher Investments, do a thorough Internet search.
DON"T fall for the emotionally charged and misleading Fisher Investments' ads. 

Don Moore
Jul 21, 2012 8:37AM
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Read this Article over.....Before there were any comments added or personal experiences.

Pretty much thought it was a good thumbnail sketch of what to look  for, in a Company's 401 plan.

And recommended others read it, if they were investing or saving in 401; Or changing jobs,retiring etc...

 

The biggest problem, is savers, investors,workers,and people nearing retirement; Just NEVER pay much attention to these types of saving vechicles or to IRAs...They just assume the people Manageing them are taking care of those worries...And until they retire....They don't care enough about what the bottomline is or was...

 

I highly recommend people educate themselves a little, do comparative shopping on the 401 vs IRA or consider both? If affordable?...And make sure all fees are in-line with the industry...

If they are not reasonable, move on or Opt Out..?

 

Pretty hard to turn down "matching contributions" and you shouldn't...But you also shouldn't be 100% in your own companies stocks, diversify and re-allocate once a year at least.

And when leaving or retiring from a Company, roll-over to an IRA as soon as possible, go with a larger trading house, that has low fees or trading charges only. I have been with Fidelity for over 30 years.

There is some very reasonable advice in the other comments also....... 

Jul 31, 2012 1:12PM
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This is a great article.  It tells people that they should be more interested in what they pay.  The biggest thing participants should be aware of is not just the total cost of the Plan but the value that they are receiving.  Participants need to know what is being charged to them and if they are getting the service that warrants that type of fee.  The whole fee talk should really be about value.  Is the value you receive worth the price you pay?  That is what you should look at.  If you are looking for a comparison of investments google Cannon Capital Management, Inc. and then look for the newsletter section and click on the 2nd Quarter 401(k) QuarterCast and look at the returns that are there.  As for the fees there is really not a great place currently to get a great fee benchmark unless you are willing to pay for that information.  Ask your Plan Sponsor what the fees are and if the Plan Sponsor pays for any of the fees.  maximize your match and increase your deferral by 1% each year.
Jul 31, 2012 12:05PM
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I agree with MzAnnie0417. A lot of folks simply don't pay attention to their funds, and believe a mythical pot 'O gold will be there when they are ready to retire. I went through about half a dozen "expert" advisors, before just using common sense 101. Most of them are just salesmen showing you charts and graphs and talking diversified portfolio's. If your fund stinks, get another one. If your advisor stinks, fire them. The way a lot of 401's are set up these days, one really needs to watch the money in their working years. If it is tanking, you don't have to ride it to the bottom. It could take years to get it back to where it was. If your close to retiring, quit gambling, or you may be working until you drop.

Jul 26, 2012 7:30PM
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It is good to see a significant rally in the markets...let us move on to Dow 20,000!
Aug 23, 2012 8:48PM
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Buy (Invest) in Low Cost Index Funds. They have low, low fees compared to regular Mutual Funds. Mutual Funds will fee you to death to where you can't grow your portfolio because of too many fees. If you can't buy Index Funds yourself like me via Scottrade then contact Vanguard.

     Buy the book, "the Little Book of Commen Sense Investing by John C. Bogle. Mr. Bogle is the founder of Vanguard. It will change the way you invest for the rest of your life and you will a ton happier and richer.

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