8/19/2011 1:32 PM ET|
Can stocks save your retirement?
The market's high volatility and low returns have increased the appeal of 'safer' investments. But the road to financial security is paved with equities. Here's why.
After suffering through the "lost decade" for stocks, investors were taken on a roller-coaster ride in recent weeks -- and the future looks to hold more of the same: a highly volatile stock market and lower annual average returns.
You'd think that might mean that investors whose main goal is a comfortable retirement should be anywhere but in stocks.
Despite the bleaker outlook going forward, the stock market is still about your only hope of overcoming the bite that inflation and taxes will take out of your retirement savings.
"The future real (after-inflation) return of a traditional mix of stocks and bonds may be closer to 2% than the 5% average of the past," said Chris Brightman, the head of investment management at Research Affiliates in Newport Beach, Calif.
And the ride will be bumpier. Brightman said the annualized standard deviation of monthly stock-market returns was 15% for the past decade, up from about 10% in the 1990s and 1960s. Still, he said, "the average recent volatility of 14% to 15% is only slightly higher than the 13% to 14% level during the 1970s and 1980s." Since 1831, the average is 14.5%.
But despite the weak -- and volatile -- outlook, people investing for retirement need stocks.
"We're likely to be living in a more volatile period for some significant period of time, and I believe market returns are likely to be relatively modest compared to what they have been," said Harold Evensky, the president of money-management firm Evensky & Katz in Coral Gables, Fla. "I still think they're going to be higher than what someone is going to get in bonds. That's the reality investors have to live with."
Others agree. "You can't get to a retirement goal earning 2% or 3% in bonds when inflation is running at 3.5%," said Jeff Layman, the chief investment officer at BKD Wealth Advisors in Springfield, Mo. "The impact of that is much more devastating on a portfolio over time than periodic rounds of volatility."
This doesn't mean you must throw 70% of your retirement-plan assets into stocks. Your precise allocation will depend on such factors as how many years out from retirement you are and your ability to ignore the daily headlines and focus on the long term.
What's most important is diversifying across a broad array of asset classes, rebalancing regularly and controlling your expenses.
Maybe you envy your neighbor who moved all his money into cash in July or early August, before the gut-wrenching gyrations of the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU).
Certainly, your neighbor was not alone. Plenty of people have been jumping out of stocks in response to the U.S. debt-limit debacle, Europe's debt crisis, ongoing fears of a new recession and a general crisis of confidence.
Investors pulled a net $13 billion out of equity mutual funds in the week ending Aug. 3 -- that's the week before four massive Dow moves -- up from the net $9.3 billion investors withdrew a week earlier and the less than $4 billion pulled out in each of the first two weeks of July, according to the Investment Company Institute, a mutual-fund company trade group.
Sure, your neighbor seems prescient. But does he know when to get back in? "Markets go up just as precipitously and as fast as they go down," Evensky said.
Retail investors are known for pulling out of the market -- and then missing the rebound. From 1991 through 2010, the average annual return of the Standard & Poor's 500 Index ($INX) was 9.1%, but the average equity investor return was a measly 3.8%, according to Dalbar, a provider of market research.
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All sounds good to me. However I don't know anyone it has worked for. I love these broad, sweeping statements re the market. The market return was blah, blah. That's if you owned every stock but the vast majority of us don't. Get in and stay in they say. Well that doesn't work either. If anyone bothers to look, the Nasdaq is about half what it was and the Dow never recovered.
I tried brokers, I studied hard myself and I tried funds. With funds the broker would say "it's up by this much". I'd get out my calculator and "behold" my figures didn't show that at all. It finally dawned on me. Selling the market is big, big business. I use the word "business" because that's exactly what it is. Like selling cars, real estate or anything else. The sales folks always hype their product. The above article is part of that business. Remember, the first priority of anyone selling anything is their own bank account. Do people make money in the market, sure do. Just not me or anyone else I know.
meme..., I know another worker drone who lost 10K last week in the downturn.
That's 2 years worth of hard work flushed. That's two years of punishing overtime that nurse worked. And that's with having a financial adviser managing her account!
And don't tell me that the drone will regain it because of "compounding". BS.
Unless you're a millionaire and able to weather downturns, worker drones with their little 401Ks will sink if the economy goes south. Guaranteed.
Everyone was sold a slick idea back in the mid 80s that if one invested one would become rich. The slick adds were just that, slick to bait you to dump your hard earned money in Wall Street so that others would benefit from it-not you the investor.
Are you out of your mind?
Unless you have millions, the stock market is no place for worker drones. A pitiful 200K in a 401K or stock option account can be eaten up very quickly with a Wall Street downturn; millionaires can recover, worker drones don't.
Nice try, but a bit too much like a high school pep rally for my tastes!!! Do you know that if the average stock portfolio had been withdrawn in the Fall of 2007 and just buried in cash in the backyard that it would be worth more now than for all but a handful of stocks and mutual funds??? What is the true (non-doctored) rate of inflation? Well, if gold and silver are both worth four times what they were in 2007....
No, I'm afraid that the average individual retirement investor has been so traumatized by the wild gyrations of obvious immense market manipulation that it may be some time before another group of suckers can be cultivated whose memory will not include these last four years. Remember that an awful lot of would-be individual retirement investors got burned royally during the tech bubble too.
Take me for instance: I was an enthusiastic individual retirement plan investor with a mid 5-figure portfolio in 2007, both in a 401K and an IRA, as well as some individual stocks, and as of July 18th, I am no longer in any stocks or funds, and a really warm place down below is going to have to freeze-over before anyone is going to be able to coax me back into believing that our financial markets are not obviously highly manipulated, with very little chance of success for the average small investor.
No, at the age of 55, I have decided that it would be better to pay-off all of my credit debt and think about buying a newer car. I might even take my family on a cruise, and I might even put some portion of my funds into bullion or even into paying-down my mortgage principal too. After losing 25% of my portfolio value over the last 4 years, not adjusted for 400% inflation, I have decided that becoming as debt-free as is possible needs to be my priority.
In just 4 more years my first whole life policy matures, and just 3 years later, (under current law), I can start withdrawing my social security, followed by liquidating my bullion and rare coins investment, followed by my 2nd whole life policy maturing, followed by selling my trophy house and downsizing, not necessarily in that order.
However, after my own experience with retirement investing going back to 1991, some of it positive but a whole lot of it negative, I have become convinced that nobody should invest in the stock market unless they are fully prepared to lose their investment to the huge insider master manipulators who run our equities markets for their own personal gain. It is awfully obvious when swings of hundreds of points up or down regularly occur that the amount of money involved is way out of the little guy's league. Anyone think that your broker has time to help you when he has to serve a bunch of big investors first?
Sorry but.... You big time master stock manipulators have killed your own golden goose, just like you accuse union workers of doing to their employers and jobs, and now you are going to have to lie in the grave that you have dug for yourselves!!! And as for that plan to kill Social Security and replace it with privatized stock market IRA's.....NOT!!!
Hmm. Sounds like greedy bankers and traders are starting to see the average consumer no longer investing in the stock market and they are getting nervous about their next 6-figure paycheck.
So, they have to tell you "you MUST invest in the Stock Market. You MUST invest in the stock market." Pay no attention to the people around you telling you otherwise. You MUST invest in the stock market.
Would you like some nice fresh brown-colored Koolaid to go with that? It is full of the same stuff that these articles tyring to get you to bankroll the millionaires are full of.
Scooby67 hit the nail on the head. A 401K will not make ends meet alone. I worked for a company that paid a pension but sold us to a company that didn't. I had to re-invest it before the crash. I put it in cd's for 14 months and had to re-invest it in my 401k in 2009 due to tax penalities when the world was ending. Sure I'm ahead by investing in high dividend stocks, bonds and mutual funds, But overall I'm not getting rich by any means. The 401K I have with the new company stopped contributing a few years back. I was putting in 18% and now @10% and the way the market is I'm not gaining much ground. My solution has always been if the government would lower the taxes on your 401K to 5% then it could maybe work. It's all rigged to keep you down from achieving your goals. I'm 55 and have paid into soc. sec since I was 13 years old. The government wants you to work at least till your 67. But companies don't want you when your that old. Lower the retirement age and open up more jobs.
It's ok for the government to waste money and give it to poor countries while our country needs it. While the dems and repubs fight and want you to vote for them, We continue to loose. They are rich and have great medical insurance. They don't give a damn about you or me. They stand up and lie to your face to get your vote. Meanwhile companies work you to death because they don't want to hire. Cramer says to go work in the Dakotas on oil rigs, Well that's fine if you don't own a house. This country needs a leader and I don't see one yet to put my faith in. History will show this has been the decade of idiots.
One of my favorite comments by Warren Buffett goes something like, “95% of all the people investing in the stock market shouldn’t be there”. I see a lot of people on this thread have finally wised up to what he was talking about.
If msn money (obamas mouthpeice) tells you to invest in the stock market---DON'T!
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