The fiscal cliff and you

Here's a quick way to understand the battle over the fiscal cliff.

By Charley Blaine Dec 7, 2012 12:54PM

The fiscal cliff sounds like a nightmare. But it comes with real numbers that have real impacts on the lives of most Americans. Here's an in-depth look at them:Fiscal cliff/MSN graphicThe fiscal cliff started to affect business decisions this fall. That's why you saw small declines in manufacturing in Friday's jobs report, for example.

It appears to be a worry for consumers now. The University of Michigan's latest consumer sentiment survey shows confidence dropping to a four-month low. That suggests households are concerned about a potentially sharp fall in their after-tax incomes.

The CBO data suggests they might want to be concerned.

The CBO estimates suggest the 20% of households with the lowest incomes might see their taxes rise by $412.

If you're in the middle 20% of income levels -- between $39,791 and $64,484 -- the average increase would be $1,984. If you're in the top 20% -- $108,267 or above -- the CBO is estimating an average increase of $14,173.

If you're in the top 1% -- with income above $506,210 -- the average increase might be about $120,500.

 

The threat of the cliff is the result of Congress' inability in 2011 to come up with a package that would satisfy everyone. It came after threats of a government shutdown, a downgrade of U.S. debt by Standard & Poor's and a short, intense panic in financial markets that sent the major stock market averages down.

The provisions of the cliff were part of a deal made by Congress in an August 2011 budget bill. It set up a so-called Super Committee of members of Congress and the Senate who were supposed to hammer out $1.2 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years. If they couldn't come up with a plan, then a mandatory combination of spending cuts and tax increases would kick

The Super Committee couldn't agree on a plan, with Democrats and Republicans essentially deciding to wait until after the 2012 election to make decisions.

The CBO sees the cliff cutting the federal deficit but also causing a recession, just as the economy is gaining some strength, that might not end until the end of 2013.


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Dec 7, 2012 10:19PM
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Yea I'm ready to join the winning team!

Monday i will go to S.S. and tell them I'm depressed then i can get housing, medical, dental, food, schooling and all the free time I want and they give me happy drugs. WHY AM I GETTING UP EACH DAY TO GRIND OUT AT A JOB???

Dec 7, 2012 10:18PM
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Yeah --- i guess its going to be time for a civil war again -- cause the majority of people are tired of being screwed by a gov. that is supposed to be for the people by the people , not aginst the people by the people.... Oh wait its not even by the people anymore its only by a select few people called the electoral college -- that's how we have had presidents win the election by majority not by individual votes. wake up people!!  until our wonderful gov. figures out a way to count every vote and not use every vote counted to help your electoral rep choose who they want. we are going to be stuck with presidents who only help themselves and their powerful rich friends. money talks and your votes dont in this free country........... 
Dec 7, 2012 10:18PM
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DarLynn, You keep forgetting, lots of jobs are gone, and not due to China. Our companies went to China and other companies to make money. People in America already have 2 or 3 TV's , a car or 2 or 3, furniture, etc... there not  buying here which forces lay-offs. Not to mention technology is loosing jobs. The computer, booklet, I-phone, and recently soda stream, ( making your own pop ), causes jobs to leave. The future is technology, STAR WARS as Ronald Reagan puts it. How are people suppose to work, and how can you get a good paying job to raise a family. Without spreading the wealth evenly, both parents are working and sometimes 2 jobs just to make ends meet.  The more we pay off our debts and stay free of credit, the better our buying power. When we go cashless and no more greed and cheaters, well......
Dec 7, 2012 10:18PM
Dec 7, 2012 10:17PM
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We are paying for a person in charge ie Barrack Hussein Who has done nothing in his life other then sucking off the american taxpayer
Dec 7, 2012 10:16PM
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If we would just increase federal taxes to 20% of GDP (about 3.5%) and cut federal spending to 19% of GDP (about 6%). We could get a handle on this fiscal budget and create a surplus. Everyone needs to feel the pain though, everyone! The surplus needs to be used to pay down this debt. In 8-10 years we would be in very good shape. Everyone needs to make sacrifices for our children’s future. It is mature social responsibility that should set the precedent here.   

Dec 7, 2012 10:16PM
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Apparently, you did not get it. The American people voted for O'Bama, hence he won. Get a grip, we know what we want! We are tired of the rich ruling this country and pounding down the poorer folk in this country. This country was founded by poor folk, running from the same things that the "Throne" that reigned over our ancestors 300 years ago. The new Throne is the rich again, we despise that and will rebell once again.
Dec 7, 2012 10:15PM
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This is INSANE. Tax the rich not middle class. What happened the promise obama made NOT to raise taxes on the middle class and make the rich pay???? LIAR LIAR . All politicians are liars  and do what they want. Our two incomes are in the middle middle class we'll lose our modest house, eat pb&j three meals a day and mean while the obama family spends hundreds of thousand of OUR TAX MONEY on vacations to Hawaii.I can't afford any vacation. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. What's the government going to do when we're ALL on welfare.   The government is killing the American people. Stop giving OUR MONEY away to other countries and BORROWING from others. The government needs a complete overhaul. They only care about their own agendas and NOT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Remember everyone ,   we are  WE THE PEOPLE.
Dec 7, 2012 10:14PM
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Darlyn:

Your not the only one who has worked there **** off for what little you might have.

But I ask you. Way aren't you pissed that the super rich has been eating your lunch all along and you haven't complained one time about this?

Why is it your complaining about helping some of the people, when the rich doesn't want to give one bit of there millions of income toward paying there share?

Its about time you learn what's really going on here, your not the only one who would like to keep all the money they make, but the very well off get all kinds of tax breaks and if that doesn't work they send there money over seas, maybe if you don't like what's happening with your money, you should start investing in the Cayman Islands..

Dec 7, 2012 10:13PM
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I think if they do this My tax return will go to $0.00. I normally get about $4,000 back. I claim 0 and have a wife and 2 kids. I get the most removed from my check I can and now that still wont be enough. I can really see a political revolution in our near future. I see unrest, riots, and bad things in our future. I also think if they do this increase we as Americans should boycott it and not pay the increase. What are they going to do throw us all in jail and make the tax revenue 0. That wont happen. We should also get rid of the representative democracy because they dont represent anyone, but themselves anyway. We the people should be able to vote on items up for vote as Americans. There is so much technology now we could vote on items say that are 3% of the budget. Then we could stop all th BS loop holes ourselves. With all the technology it would only take a day or so to get the results which is faster than these jokers in congress or should I say regress.   
Dec 7, 2012 10:12PM
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SOCIALISM NOW !!!   EAT THE RICH !!!

Dec 7, 2012 10:12PM
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Nice fear tactics.  We all need to pay more.   But you Rich a-holes are not going to be creating jobs overseas with your tax saving.   Oh, by the way turnips can be bled.

Dec 7, 2012 10:10PM
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I think the liberal media actually won the election for Obama's second term.  I was hoping more people had woken up to the fact that Obama is such a lousy president before this past  November rolled around.  The Republicans were not able to get enough unbiased media coverage, only FOX did that.   Now it is too late and I think a lot of people who voted for Obama are already regretting it.  Get ready America, we are ALL going to be screwed to the wall, and this country is going to go downhill faster than ever.  Sad, very sad.  
Dec 7, 2012 10:08PM
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I think most people are struggling financially.  The thing that people fail to get is the most basic message and that is, if the Democrats and Republicans can't reach an agreement, these are the consequences.  Obama is NOT and I repeat NOT wanting these taxes to come into fruition, his proposal of raising taxes on those earning more than 250K a year is what he is asking the republicans to agree on and that's where the stalemate comes in.  If the Republicans and Democrats don't come to an agreement, the above chart is the consequence.  It's not just welfare reform that we need, but defense cuts as well.  We are fighting too many wars and for what reason?  It's bankrupting us.  Defense spending is one of the largest share of the pie.  Nevertheless, I think people in this country and especially the wealthy who make over a million a year really do need to pay higher taxes.  In some parts of the country, 250K doesn't get you very far.  
Dec 7, 2012 10:07PM
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Hopefully "DOOMSDAY" hits on the 21st. Then these f..kers can all stick their tax increases up their asses. f em' all. Im sick of this sh.t. Ive been out of work since April, and haven't once touched a food stamp. Im on the way to losing my house, mine and my wife's once awesome relationship is crumbling due to the stress. I can't affor dto buy my kids anything practically. Ohhh, but unemployment has decreased. yah right. Thats because it has run out for everyone on it. But people believe this sh.t. F..k it, Im ready to hold hands with my family on the 21st and check out. Of course that would be too easy so i know it won't happen.
Dec 7, 2012 10:05PM
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Until the tax code is reformed for a flat tax or something much simple national sales tax I don't know then we will never solve this rate issue. The economy should not be set up on spending evrything we earn to grow the economy. It should be set up for people to save like a sales tax if you don't need it you are less likely to buy it if there is a national sales tax that makes it more expensive. My only answer is a new tax code of some kind with incentives to save not spend money we don't have.
Dec 7, 2012 10:03PM
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Obama and congress can't manage what they have and they want more.  No way.  Until spending is cut to match current income minus debt repayment they all need to be thrown over a cliff!
Dec 7, 2012 10:01PM
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cut off all the bums  WE already pay enough in taxes!! Why don't you make those able bodied idiots who have 15 kids and live off welfare, get jobs and start paying taxes?! I'm tired of paying for people to sit around,playing with there FREE obama phones  while I work my tail off and pay more and more damn taxes! ENOUGH, ENOUGH ENOUGH!!!! When will this government pull their heads out and LEARN?
Dec 7, 2012 9:58PM
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Though Obummer should never of been voted in. The solution is NOT increase the taxes on the rich, they would just pass it onto us since they own the businesses. The SOLUTION is to get the politicians off their butts and not just Balance the budget, but to CUT it so the taxes we already pay will suffice.
Dec 7, 2012 9:50PM
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Do only people from Mississippi and Alabama comment here. It sounds like a Ku Klux Klan rally. We all need to give up the tax cuts cuts we got.I make 48,000 a year for 4 people and I was doing fine before the tax cuts and I'll make it without them. Quit crying like a bunch of babies and suck it up or go back home and live with your mommies.
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