The fiscal cliff and you

Here's a quick way to understand the battle over the fiscal cliff.

By Charley Blaine Dec 7, 2012 12:54PM

The fiscal cliff sounds like a nightmare. But it comes with real numbers that have real impacts on the lives of most Americans. Here's an in-depth look at them:Fiscal cliff/MSN graphicThe fiscal cliff started to affect business decisions this fall. That's why you saw small declines in manufacturing in Friday's jobs report, for example.

It appears to be a worry for consumers now. The University of Michigan's latest consumer sentiment survey shows confidence dropping to a four-month low. That suggests households are concerned about a potentially sharp fall in their after-tax incomes.

The CBO data suggests they might want to be concerned.

The CBO estimates suggest the 20% of households with the lowest incomes might see their taxes rise by $412.

If you're in the middle 20% of income levels -- between $39,791 and $64,484 -- the average increase would be $1,984. If you're in the top 20% -- $108,267 or above -- the CBO is estimating an average increase of $14,173.

If you're in the top 1% -- with income above $506,210 -- the average increase might be about $120,500.

 

The threat of the cliff is the result of Congress' inability in 2011 to come up with a package that would satisfy everyone. It came after threats of a government shutdown, a downgrade of U.S. debt by Standard & Poor's and a short, intense panic in financial markets that sent the major stock market averages down.

The provisions of the cliff were part of a deal made by Congress in an August 2011 budget bill. It set up a so-called Super Committee of members of Congress and the Senate who were supposed to hammer out $1.2 trillion in spending cuts over 10 years. If they couldn't come up with a plan, then a mandatory combination of spending cuts and tax increases would kick

The Super Committee couldn't agree on a plan, with Democrats and Republicans essentially deciding to wait until after the 2012 election to make decisions.

The CBO sees the cliff cutting the federal deficit but also causing a recession, just as the economy is gaining some strength, that might not end until the end of 2013.


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Dec 7, 2012 4:53PM
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Why do all of you blame Obama for this? HE is not the one rejecting any and every idea that comes along to end this! It's the republicans who insist that no tax increases should be imposed on millionaires. THEY are the ones holding us hostage on this, NOT Obama.
Dec 7, 2012 4:53PM
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How sickening, we all work our butts off ( except those on welfare & free programs ) and this is what we get in return. What happened to no new taxes, we knew once Mr. President got back in office this would change and change for the worst. I still can't believe he has everyone convinced he is looking out for us. The goverment is wasteful, dishonest and they are the ones who need to be in our shoes. The rich politicans don't know what it is to struggle even when they retire they still will not miss a beat  and their bank accounts will still be the same. We are the ones that always has to cut corners and struggle from day to day, I don't see anyone bailing me out of debt.we are in for a rough 4 years.

 

 

 

Frustrated Citizen

 

 

Frustrated Citizen

 

Dec 7, 2012 4:53PM
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As an Enrolled Agent enrolled to practice before the IRS I can tell you the person that spoke up for flat tax of 15% would be in shock as to the damage this change would make.  The "government" has already admitted that 23% would not be enough to continue.  My average client (our office has 887 clients) would be paying an average of $9,500.00 more in federal taxes if these changes were put into effect.  I have been practicing for 26 years and have seen a lot of changes to the tax code.  This is a disaster waiting to happen.  I agree the government has to be made accountable.  You and I have to live within the budget we have: they should stop thinking of our taxes as free money.
No more TAX PACKAGES there should be a line by line budget so the wheeling and dealing on the hill has to stop. " I will sign your tax program if you slip my pet project into the bill."  I need to stop writing.  I get on the subject of taxes and get crazy.  My apologies to those that have read this far
Dec 7, 2012 4:52PM
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welcome to forced austerity - thanks obama and congress you can stop acting like you are trying to do anything else we are not that stupid.

Dec 7, 2012 4:52PM
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i hope we go over the cliff.  america voted for obama and it shows that the largest tax increase will be on the low and middle class. this is what the people wanted after all so i hope they get what they wanted by paying higher taxes.

 

  these new taxes as well as the new taxes ferom obamacare will get this country back on the right track in a hurry and eliminate our deficit.  obama says thats his goal right?  so higher taxes is  a goodt thing

Dec 7, 2012 4:52PM
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Work your fingers to the bone and hat do ya get?...... Boney fingers.
Dec 7, 2012 4:52PM
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Where were you folks on November 6, we let the 47 % do the talking, dont worry next election there will be 56%.
Dec 7, 2012 4:52PM
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fiscal cliff is a dumb dumber idea ,this is going to put everybody at risk ! for losing their jobs,houses n so on ,so where did the gov or the president get this idea ?why cant he or the gov cut his own people ,make american people live better instead of suffering !!!! we are paying enough taxes as it is n where do they think we are getting this money to fork out the higher tax hike ?are they stupid or what ?they need figure out a better plan !!!!obama needs to stop talking abt taxes n get real like former bill clinton did when he was president! he is only president that kept this country in the best shape by not  raising taxes like now !!!!!!everybody in the usa is suffering enough ,this must stop or we all will be living on welfare !!!!!!
Dec 7, 2012 4:51PM
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If the Congress and President cannot come to an agreement and fix this mess they should all go without a paycheck until they get it done. If not done by the end of 2012 they go without a paycheck in all of 2013. You can bet this will not affect their taxes or tax rate. They probably have a different system just like they are not involved in Social Security and not covered under the Obama Care. Congress and the Pres. should be under the same programs that "We the people" are covered by.
Dec 7, 2012 4:51PM
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I've worked my butt off all these years as many of you have while the 47% have a kid each year by a different Baby Daddy.  These women claim they are single, but the Mr. is there with them every night.  I just read a report that stated that welfare programs now pay out $30.00 per hour per person in entitlements for each $25.00 earned by bonafide wage earners.

 

They live better than most Americans and welfare programs and Medicade are not taxed.  Would you go to work if you could live off the government?  These people do not know how to work.

 

Elections have consequences.  Beware of the "Devil Incarnate"!

Dec 7, 2012 4:51PM
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I'm a middle class tax payer, voted this year, and just as displeased as practically everyone with the economic situation. However, I disagree with comments about how easy life in the political circle is. Everyone has a personal life and over the last 12 years watching these people age, realizing the the "abuse" they have taken over their lives, they really do deserve more respectful criticism than they are sometimes shown.
Dec 7, 2012 4:51PM
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I need a job! Maybe next year I'll run for Congress. Can't think a another job where you do so little for so much!
Dec 7, 2012 4:50PM
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I have been saying for a long time now, that the time will come that the american worker will lay down his tools, and pick up his arms. 

 

That time is quickly arriving!

Dec 7, 2012 4:50PM
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they dont care about  anybody  should be to make desions for the people not just for themselves  they are millonaries money dont bother them  every time they want to cut  it always medcare or socialseurity cut thire PAY once
Dec 7, 2012 4:50PM
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President Obama makes his speeches sound like "taxing the rich" is a cure all, save all for making our deficit go away. The taxes on the "rich" in Obama's plan will raise $750 to $800 billion over 10 years or $75 to $80 billion a year. Our annual deficits now are about $1.1 TRILLION. $80 billion a year in new revenue is about 7% of the of our $1.1 TRILLION annual deficit. What the heck do we do to cut the other $1.04 TRILLION.

 

If very big changes are not put in place right now, in 4 or 5 years, we are looking at a $21 TRILLION national debt. Interest rates WILL JUMP to, lets say 4%. That means we will be paying about $840 billion annually IN AN INTEREST PAYMENT. That's about 1/3 of what we annually bring in. That will be the beginning of the end of America as we know it!

Dec 7, 2012 4:50PM
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Maybe if we all refuse to pay our tax's, they might find a solution more quickly!!!!!!!!
Dec 7, 2012 4:49PM
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Hey DarLynn, I feel your Pain. I am now a shell of a man working 60-70 hours 6-days a week so people of entitlement can sit around and do nothing.......I am like a stuck pig and have no more to give I am bled out. I AM DONE!
Dec 7, 2012 4:49PM
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democrats work  on 8 hour jobs too 8 hours is 8 hours no matter  who works it.
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I think it's time to send this Government of incompetents and the federal reserve bank packing. Let them set up their ponzie schemes somewhere else, by the time you add up all the other taxes they take more like 50% to 60% of you're money. The federal reserve is a privately owned bank that to over the money printing powers of our country in secracy without the concent of congress of the American people, we have to pay them intreast on money they print out of thin air, while our countries real wealth our gold has disappeared.
Dec 7, 2012 4:47PM
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 Our government have to stop giving help for those people who sat around and collect food stamp and other benefits. some of them abuses it. They have investigate first before helping them worked tons of extra hours to meet our needs no matter what because i don't want to depend on our government enough is enough!!!

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