VIDEO ON MSN MONEY
At first I didn't like the German system because it channeled kids early in life (third grade). I've come to learn that the three paths are pretty smart in the long run because society needs garbage collectors as much as it needs engineers. Many American students entering college start with the delusion they're going to make it big but nobody has the nuts to tell them they won't, so they will saddle themselves with debt on a majore they're ill prepared to execute. We've made everyone think they're entitled to a college education and that we'll all be God's gift to some important career we're incapable of performing. Then, we have a bunch of bitter people, in debt over their heads, and who pays the bill? Uncle Sam, aka, US taxpayer.
The German system is pretty simple. There are three categories of school, each channeling society to paths commesurate with their abilities, which manifest themselves through reading, writing, arithmatic, and language comprehension by the time they're eight years old. One path leads to manual labor and service jobs where the person connects the product to the consumer, without having to learn technical details. The second path leads to a mix between labor/service and technical knowledge, like plummer, electrician, mason, metalworker. The third path is primarily technical, intellectual, the research scientists, doctors, lawyers, and professors. Their society is not perfect in any sense of the word, but the reason they have the strongest economy in Europe is because EVERYONE plays a role and instead of creating an atmosphere of false expectations, reality is laid out early in life, and if you want to jump into another path you can, but you have to earn it.
most in today's world come out of collage, and still can't change a tire, or change the oil in there car.........they have no life skills what-so-ever ! to set down, and pay one months worth of bills, w/o first contacting mom, or dad ! can't make change if the register isn't working right ! has no idea what a 2x4 is, or a sheet of plywood ! had a young lady W/4 yr college degree apply for a job at "boys & girls club" as an assistant director ! then can't maintain 15 children 8 to 12 yrs. old, line up craft ideas, or activities for the next day, show up on time, and do what is asked of them !! just showing up on time, and doing what is asked of you, already puts oneself at 98% of the work force !!!! then there are the cell phones, need i say more, they act like they're dr.'s on trauma staff at the hospital !
just my my observations...steven
Thought-out the years there have been many who thought that all I need is a degree!
But that is a dream and it keeps them going and to have a dream my mean more then money. So if you think that your job is bigger then your idea's. so be it. If you are happy and you make to bills thats what is real.
Are we seriously still measuring the value of a college major purely in dollar signs? Does MSN Money understand nothing about the current generation? No one majors in Theatre Arts expecting to get rich. Many who study these fields end up quite content working in fields completely unrelated to their major, happy with the knowledge they took from their education, and the lifelong friends they made. People for whom money is a large priority pick their college major on that basis, but no everyone views college as vocational school.
Businesses that used to train recent high school graduates in a profession are delighted to let young people instead study these professions in college at their own expense, which is the main reason that undergraduate studies have essentially devolved into 4 more years of high school with more sex and beer. But even businesses often discover that a college education in a more artsy, or liberal-artsy field can yield surprising dividends, like employees capable of approaching challenges with creative thinking.
The idea that choosing a college major that will have the ‘undesirable’ result of requiring additional study in graduate school to be truly ‘valuable’ completely ignores a number of well-known realities. Will you next suggest that students avoid pre-med or pre-law programs because of the need for graduate studies?
There are plenty who may have a vested interest in pushing colleges toward turning out trained employees instead of independent thinkers, but the students derive no benefits from such a program other than training in docility to employers and worship of the almighty dollar. People are happier doing what they find fulfilling, regardless of how many cars are in the driveway. MSN in doing a public disservice with this article.
you mean all the touchy feely liberal fruitcake degrees are junk? What will all the 20 yr old Obama supporting females do with their little selves?
Back in the late 50's i only could complete the 10th grade, reason; a disfunctional home. I was on the street at 16 yrs old living in my car and trying to go to school and work at a store every day including Sundays. I went in the Air Force with a GED. I worked inthe the Supply and Logistics field for 21 yrs and retired from the Air Force at 40 years old with a pension (paid monthly for life) Not bad Huh...!
Then I went to work for the Department of Defense for another 20 yrs in the Logistics field. Another pension for life and all the benefits, not bad Huh...!
All during my working life I went to college but did not get a degree,Why, because I was never impressed with the so called professors. I've got to tell you they were all Loosers Big Time. I work my way up in my career to The Deputy Director level managing over a billion $ of assets and managing over 700 people with 6 levels of management under me. I was very sucessful, Why, because I really knew my job and was alway Inovative with new ideas. I had people working for me that had computer science degree and with them and Ideas we re-invented the busness every day.
It wasn't easy because i was always bumped from jobs because I did not have a degree but when the chips were down I was always the guy that analysed the problem and fixed it. I was always "The Go To It Guy.
In addition I really like all the people I worked with especially the people whom did the work,and they knew it (trust). I had a rule; In order for a person to work with me they Must Be "Kind" and "Curtious" One To Another!!! If they couldn't step up to that they had to move-on.
I retired very well and most of all I'm a very Happy guy...!
If you can't go to school then you must be The Very Best in The World whatever you do. No Excuses!
It's sad how polarized discussions in so many areas have become. Having worked with technical people, the quality of their communications skills is sometimes quite alarming, though not always. However, the understanding of technology among the general population is also disconcerting. Success requires passion, knowledge, and the ability to work with and communicate with others. If you are smart and lucky, you will have the proper mix of all those skills and find opportunities to put them to use. If you are either 100% liberal arts or 100% technical, you are cheating yourself.
I believe or at least hope high schools and universities are understanding that their role must include helping students understand how their passions fit into the economy and provide them with both marketable skills and the knowledge to market themselves.
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