Retirement Plan A: Work longer

That's not possible for everyone, so what's Plan B? (Please don't say it's winning the lottery.)

By MSN Money Partner May 27, 2011 11:00AM

This guest post comes from "MJP" at Go To Retirement.

 

Retirement surveys seem to be everywhere. Many organizations are very interested in asking baby boomers about their retirement goals and/or about how well they have prepared for retirement. Recently, the Transamerica Center for Retirement Studies released the results of its survey of 4,080 U.S. workers.

 

Not surprisingly, the news is not good.

 

Here is the data that I found the most interesting:

  • 40% of those surveyed say they expect to work longer and retire later as a result of the recession.
  • 39% plan to retire after age 70 or not at all. (Wow!)
  • 54% plan to "work in retirement" (after age 65), the most common reason being economic necessity.
  • 70% say that even if they worked full time until age 65, they would not have enough money to retire. (Also, 59% of those who make more than $100,000 say this. Incredible!)

Taking the results as a whole, it is clear that retirement Plan A for a large percentage of U.S. workers is "keep working," with economic need being the driving force.

 

OK, if that is Plan A, what is Plan B? Winning the lottery? Post continues after video.

I am empathetic to anyone who suffered severe losses in the market downturn. It happened to a lot of us. I also understand working longer as Plan A because that is what many financial planners recommend.

 

For folks who are forced to work into their late 60s and beyond, Plan A can collapse in a hurry, for health reasons or just because there are not enough jobs available to older workers. (Age discrimination still exists everywhere.)

 

The only retirement Plan B that may be available to those who plan to work forever is to do a slash-and-burn job on their current spending and standard of living. Downsize now, sell a car, cut discretionary costs, get the adult kids off the payroll, and aggressively save the surplus.

 

Spending those last-minute savings early in retirement may also allow those workers to delay claiming Social Security benefits until age 66 or even age 70, adding 8% to their benefit for each year of delay.

 

I suppose the bottom line message is simply this: Plan A may work, but given the uncertainties of employment as an older worker, you also need a Plan B.

 

So what is your Plan B?

 

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61Comments
May 27, 2011 2:22PM
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Well I guess when I'm living on the street because I'm old, broke, and discriminated against because of my age; I can comfort myself in the knowledge that the politicians and bankers are enjoying a lavish retirement........

May 27, 2011 3:01PM
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For the most part, the 401k has been underwhelming for most people.
May 27, 2011 3:15PM
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Why can't you afford retirement? Do you have to live in a big house by yourself? Do you have to go out and eat every night? My estate is about $165,000. I make less than $2000 a month. My retirement will amount to about $1500 a month. This will require that I earn about $500 a month and I hope that won't be too hard. When I'm in my late 60s or early 70s I will start withdrawing my 401Ks and IRAs and won't need to earn any money. I don't know if I'll retire at 62 but I feel I need to be ready. I'm healthy and able-bodied but there's no guarantee there will be full time jobs. I hate working anyway and luxury isn't worth it.
Jun 19, 2011 4:44PM
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I retired at 64  to care for elderly parent; went back to work three months later.   Suspended my SS payments and worked for seven months.  Had to retire again to care for parent.  (Huge penalty for working last year from SS; lowered my income by $350 a month.)   Unable to get a job now.   Haven't worked for a year, am now 66.   Have no credit card debt but do have few medical bills.  Had to give my car back to lender.    Have no idea how I can sustain with no savings.  There must be somewhere I can live on $1,300 a month, just haven't found it yet.  I really want a job.  The hiring process has changed dramatically.  I'm trying to find a job in area where I have worked for past 45 years but having no luck.   Age discrimination is a reality.   My hope is to earn enough so that I can pay the additional $1,000+ monthly for my dad's homecare.   I was able to get a loan modification for him from Bank of America last year.  I was thrilled that I was able to do this and appreciate Bank of America's help very much.   He now has $500 in his budget for homecare each month.   However, that doesn't cover many hours if you are going out to homecare agencies, adult daycare, private CNA's, etc.  In looking for a good place for him, I was appalled at some of the costs.    I could have accomplished a direct admittance into a nursing home in Florida for him.    It has 179 Medicaid beds out of maybe 225.   They take all of his income, we submit the Medicaid application, and they get $4,600 additional when that is approved.    His income is $2,094 a month, plus the $4,600.   You do the math.  This is why Medicare is broke.   This happens everywhere, but is big business in Florida because there are so many seniors there.   Assisted living is not covered by Medicare and is also $4,000 to $6,000 a month.  The only people who can afford it are those with government pensions.  Yes, these are the plum jobs as we all know, and all these former highly paid government workers are double-dipping until they decide not to work anymore.   Wake up America.   You can't stop the aging process.   We need to figure out how we are going to take care of this problem.   What galls me the most is that everyone feels free to run up the credit cards and file bankruptcy.   The feeling is that "everyone does it."   Wow, that blows my mind.
Jul 5, 2011 7:05PM
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I think Gertrude has it right. I have about the same income and savings that she does and live quite comfortably. I think the people that need a million dollars to retire on are being unrealistic, or they can't afford to pay for the debt that they have. Retirement is a big part of my life especially the things that I didn't have time for while I was working. I eat when I want to, sleep when I want, wear shorts and a tee shirt. I am comfortable, stress free, and don't have to answer to anyone. You know what it feels like to sleep in on Sunday, well retirement is like that every day. 
Aug 18, 2011 4:38AM
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I just wrote a normal comment and it says my post was blocked because it has a hyperlink or looks like spam -- what does that mean?
Aug 18, 2011 4:38AM
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I feel for your plight, gj12711, but don't lump all government workers together. I can retire this December after 26+ years in the postal service. You know what that gets me?  Approximately $870 a month, before deductions for health and life insurance, and taxes.  I have contributed to Social Security since I was 16 years old - 40 years of contributions! Yes, postal employees hired after 1984 are no longer under Civil Service retirement, they contribute to Social Security like everyone else. So I will not be double dipping. But I cannot collect on that for a few more years. As much as I love my home and my little town, I will definitely have to sell my house and move to a less expensive area. My only other retirement fund comes from what I contributed to my TSP -- the government version of a 401K. I have about $167,000 in there.   So this is one government worker who will retire only to immediately be looking for another job.
Aug 18, 2011 4:40AM
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How sad that after a lifetime of following the rules and working hard, we may not be able to enjoy that "happy ending" we should be looking forward to!
Aug 18, 2011 4:50AM
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Being in my mid 40's with a modest but substantial savings I have started to think of retirement, but I also think I would like to work, yes...maybe until I die. I enjoy time off, but like my mother who is a healthy, active still working 68 year old woman whom people think is 50 (such is her good health) I think "what would I do?" Sure the life of leisure and travel and not working sounds great....but not for 20 years! However, you never know...

 

Taking from my mothers example, she has been one of those dreaded "public employees" for the last 30 years. Her pension isn't matured yet, but she has paid into it and deserves every penny she gets. If she ever stops working! From witnessing her career which does not pay handsomely, I would say she is getting a fair but still meager shake for retirement. But the best thing she has gotten out of being a civil servant so far as I can see is job security, so long as she does a good job. And she does even more so now, with years of experience behind her. But for many of us that job security is not part of the deal. Which is a shame for many, but not our fault tbh.

 

As for myself I never had kids because I am not able to. Never have been, and nor was adoption ever an option for me. I quickly came to accept this, even if women in my life couldn't...and so although coming close, I never married. Now in my mid 40's I actually think about it again, however. With the "family" years behind me and lot's of single, divorced, and widowed women out there who have "been there, done that" so far as kids and family are concerned, the world of relationships has opened up to me, or just being single. It's pretty great.

 

So what does all this have to do with retirement? Well, the fact I never "bought in" to the idea of owning a home, having the best car, keeping up with the neighbors, sending my kids to college, or any of that. I've never had to. And it does something to your thinking I believe to be able to relax and realize "all I have to take care of is me." And if you do that long enough, you realize you can. And god willing stay healthy, active, and vital the very best you can. Like my good 'ol mom. Just "keep it simple," as they say. You'll be ok

 

As for myself I will have SS, Medicare (or private insurance), my savings, and I am definitely going to start to invest money in the market. Too late? Nope, I plan on working and having a decent income for at least the next 25 years. And if I hit any bumps in the road, well, it's just me and maybe a future wife. That is something I can handle. Live a decent, healthy life the best you can, work and be happy. That is 90% of happiness if you are fortunate enough to do so. At any age.

 

Also for those of you who think you might struggle to make ends meet in retirement, consider this: Mexico! That's right, you can retire pretty well there as a renter for around $1,500 a month. With two people around $2,000 a month if you budget, and $2,500 quite comfortably for two. And people even retire there with only their SS payments and still live decently, if frugally. You won't be eating dog food or living on the streets, that's for sure. And lot's of Americans retire there, so you won't be alone. Something to think about, and it could be quite an adventure when you least expect one in life.  

 

 

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Retire to the grave,now that's a great retirement plan!That would depend on where you are

going though.Heaven or Hell fire for all eternity?Lost people don't know where they are going!

Real Christians do!

Aug 18, 2011 7:58AM
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I did Plan B many years ago. Now I'm 63, have been retired a couple of years and going golfing today. Maybe tomorrow too. But definitely not going to work.
Aug 18, 2011 9:37AM
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/31/852524/-Tea-Party-Leaders:-Abolish-Social-Security

 

Some of the extreme Tea Party members want Social Security and Medicare abolished.  Though some of the moderate Tea Party members take a milder stand for political reasons have no doubt that they themselves would like to see the same outcome.

That's one thing you should look at seriously in 2012 relating to GOP/Tea Party candidates:  they do not have any love for Social Security and Medicare.  None at all.

Let's take Medicare-post retirement, medical costs climb and without Medicare most could not retire because the cost of medical insurance would be prohibitive.

Social Security-one of the legs of retirement, Social Security, pension and 4% from a stock option/401K program.  The contribution from Social Security adds to the total-without, most could not retire with just a pension and 4% from their 401K.

Stock option/401K- most people are lucky to have 300K saved;  very few have a million, fewer have over a million.  The reality is that most do not start saving until in their mid 30s.  4%  a year from 300K is not enough to live on.  Most have a lot less saved.

Abolishing Social Security and Medicare equals no retirement for the average person.  Keep that in mind before voting Tea Party clowns in office in 2012.

Aug 18, 2011 10:31AM
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The whole idea behind SSI and retirement revolves around the average life expectancy of the American worker. Not a bad idea. The Government account administers/ politicians even screwed it up.

My American dream is being buried with my boots on.

Aug 18, 2011 11:09AM
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One should always have a plan B even with planning on retirement.  Too many do not have any secondary interests/hobbies/money making strategies post retirement and one should.

Myself, I plan on retiring at 66-but with my RN I can work casual at a clinic;  I have a small business;  I have published a novel and like to write;  I even like to go gold prospecting with a gold detector.  So one has to have many strings to one's retirement bow.

Aug 18, 2011 11:47AM
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So Plan A is to work Longer, and Plan B is to downsize and refer to Plan A. Some Option.
Aug 18, 2011 12:03PM
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No one is going to hire a person in their 60's for any type of respectable job. They will not even hire people in their 50"s today. What gives the multi-millionaire congressman the right to tell us we can not retire until we're 69 or 70, when they will be retiring on our dollar at an early age with a huge pension. Another issue is the baby boomers had a lot of workers who never went to college and took up jobs in the ever dwindling manufacturing sector. These people deserve the social security payments the way they were told the payments would be made. No one knew about mutual funds, and 401k's did not exist in the late 50's, early 60's, so many of us did not get a jump start to our financial future like people can get today. There are more college grads today then 40-50 years ago, and they have the immediate opportunity to invest in funds.
Aug 18, 2011 12:05PM
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I am vested in 4 plans the major one is a DB (defined benefit) plan.  I will be able to retire at 62.  I will be comfortable but not rich. 
Aug 18, 2011 12:24PM
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face facts!!!!!! this country has had it!!!! a crooked government,dems and republicans, wall steet is a big big scam!!!!! the rest of the world laughing at us as we fall apart.  china will help us though!!!! right!!!!!
Aug 18, 2011 12:33PM
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Moegreen very good point- 401Ks and other type of investments did not really pick up steam until the mid 80s;  many Baby Boomers had parents (like myself) who absolutely did not trust  Wall Street (The Great Depression survivors) so it took some time before Baby Boomers got on board with investments.

I'm surprised I got negative hits on my suggestion of having interests/hobbies/money earning strategies post retirement.  I have seen so many people who have no direction post retirement.  Hobbies and interests can become money earning techniques while having fun.  Retirement does not mean doing nothing and traveling all the time. 

I enjoy writing.  I want to prospect gold bearing areas I know exist in the Southwest;  and I can keep my nursing skills current by taking courses and working casual at a clinic.  Activity keeps you young and healthy.

Aug 18, 2011 1:02PM
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Articles like this crack me up.  With millions more jobs set to be outsourced most of us will be through working after age 50 unless you count some low paying service job as a second career.  We all should have learned by now by playing by the rules and paying into a bankrupt/corrupted economic and political system is a sure fire way to the poor house. At the end of a working career expect your 401k to be insufficient, Social Security to reduce benefits and raise the retirement age, and high inflation to erode other personal savings. Now, is the time to plan around our failed safety nets since our political and corporate leaders could care less about us.
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