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Sep 20, 2011 7:28PM
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Moor: One of the Republican proposals (and some democrats agree - not many) is to change the COLA to the wage increase index instead of the CPI. It is not a lie.
Sep 20, 2011 7:28PM
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I should rephrase that comment...SS money is there and as long as those who deserve it are getting it everything is fine.  The scam is the government telling us that they don't have enough. All they are trying to do is let us down easy and take more SS money away.  Just wait until China calls in its marker.  The only place that has enough money to pay that bill is your 401k, they will try to take that next.
Sep 20, 2011 7:24PM
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http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2004/09/Misleading-the-Public-How-the-Social-Security-Trust-Fund-Really-Works

There you go- a system that is full of virtual air.  The article explains very well how the system works (or doesn't).

Collect, spend and be happy. 

Until it runs out.  Check the magic year of 2018.

Then something will have to be done.

Sep 20, 2011 7:20PM
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What they fail to tell you is that not everyone lives to the age of retirement.  Many pay in for 30 years and die.  In fact the average person collects 11 (eleven) checks.  Sounds like a pretty good deal for the government.  SS is the biggest scam there every was.  All i can say is in 2041 you better have my money.
Sep 20, 2011 7:13PM
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Jim Anspoch,

Are you sure you paid in and didn't take out for disability or something?  Wow!

Sep 20, 2011 7:11PM
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Jon Miller,

Who is spoon feeding you lies about the republicans shooting down cost of living adjustments for social security.  Social security COLA is pegged to the consumer price index which measures inflation.  No political party has anything to do with giving more or less.  Due to the CPI showing no inflation and actually negative for a while you received no increases.  Before the recession you had received very large increases because of the CPI, so really you are lucky that your payments don't go down along with the CPI and can only go up.

Sep 20, 2011 7:09PM
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By the way, the people who complain that SS receipients get more than they paid in, are full of you know what. These bonds issued by the government to cover social security pay interest. If you continually put money in a savings account at a bank for 50 years do you expect to only get back what you put in. Hell no, you get what you paid in plus compound interest over your lifetime.

 

200 dollars a month payed into social security over 50 years amounts to only 120,000. However, with 4 percent interest compounded monthly you end up with 391,200. That's the way it works since the SS bonds from the government pay interest.

 

 

Sep 20, 2011 7:05PM
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This article is crap people, please pay attention to what you are reading.  First off, MSN had an article 2 weeks ago saying that social security was going broke, now they have an article saying it isn't.  Also, read the beginning of the article and see if it makes sense together.  Of course not, one place it says it can only pay full benefits for the next 25 years and then pay 3/4 of its obligations for another 50 years.  The next paragraph they have a guy saying total outlays won't even exceed total revenues coming in for decades, which is more than 25 years and full benefits would be able to be paid far after we have more outlays than revenues coming in because of the balance going forward.  Not to mention that this year social security revenues became less than outlays (not decades in the future like a quote in this article), much sooner than previously thought they would, even the NY times wrote about it last year, google "social security payments more than revenue".  This article is full of crap and disingenuous.


Sep 20, 2011 7:03PM
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If there is still a goodly amount of money in the Social Security coffers why did Obama threaten not to pay recipients when default was looming? Why does Obama now, want to cut payroll taxes and say he doesn't want to cut entitlements? He doesn't have to, he is cutting the funding for SS. This guy is one of the best liars around.
Sep 20, 2011 7:02PM
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The idea that we can draw down the principal without killing the system is ridiculous, it can survive if it only pays out it's interest every year or less.  That seems to be ignored, this is a controlled crash.  Why are we are concerned about futile remedies when it is unsustainable indefinitely?  The only real focus is on who will be forced to pay more or receive less, with the insane assumption that some generation within this century will get shafted altogether.  That type of landfill thinking is quite vexing.  I refuse to start with that assumption, regardless of the impact on me.  If this was water, what would we do?  Set the date to run out altogether? 

Sep 20, 2011 7:01PM
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Regarding transition costs, I am willing to accept the transition costs.  I would continue to pay into SS for 30 more years and relinquish my claim to SS benefits as long as my two boys (1 & 3) never had to pay into the bankrupt system.


Sep 20, 2011 6:51PM
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The only reason that only 40% of the population pay taxes is that the other 60% are illegal or on welfare or in jail. Now stupid people who never have done anything for themselves think that, that 60% are rich people. I think that if you grow up stupid you should be deported to mexico.
Sep 20, 2011 6:47PM
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Finally someone who will tell the truth about social security. It is a great program. It is not broke and will be around when the young retire and everyone will be glad it's there.  It is not a Ponzi scheme since all are required to pay into it thus it can't have the "chain broken" unless it's privatized as some would do. (hint: Republicans). It only requires a minor tweek which would hurt no one and it will pay full benefits til the sun quits shining. It's time the public told the politicians to quit talking about it when it comes to deficit reduction.

 

Finally, without the 2.6 Trillion dollars in overpayments by social security participants the Federal Government would be 2.6 Trillilon more dollars in debt.

Sep 20, 2011 6:46PM
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republicans keep shooting down the ssi cost of living increases people need,remember that the next time you vote,and the comment people getting five times what they paid in,are you an idiot,people need this money to live off of, what the hell do think this system was created for,thanks to someone that had they insight to look past they end of thier noses!!!big shot bankers are to big to fell but the rest of the american people are not?
Sep 20, 2011 6:44PM
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Is there going to be a raise for social security? I bet there was a raise for all the people on welfare who never worked at all. The illegals archor baby moms from mexico and blacks are stealing all the money that retired people paid into the system. Who in hell started medicade this is just more welfare for the deadbeats . If you don't believe this go to a social security office and see if you can find an old white person.
Sep 20, 2011 6:36PM
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Social Security, the Rich with so many tax shelters, breaks, whatever name they hide their fair share under, and Illegal Immigration, and this government wonder's why so many young American's refuse to pay taxes, why should they? When the government bucks up, then maybe most Legal Americans will.!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 20, 2011 6:34PM
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Here we go again, President Johnson started it all by drawing SSI money but no one knows how much, now SSI are turning into a tribunal and turning SSD requests into the IRS. This is not  the governments money or are they the CEO of the accounts. Where does the interest go? I was proud of this country but there is a limit.
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that is the best thing to happen to me in quiet a while
Sep 20, 2011 4:24PM
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Here's a reasonably easy fix.   First let's reset the system to what it was supposed to be... an insurance policy.  So let's try a means test.  Say if on your retirement date, you have accumulated X amount in assets, this can be adjusted.  But let's say 1 million to start.  You get no SS benefits.  You WILL however get your premiums back.  Payed to you over 20 years.  That way you at least get back what you "Paid In".  Now maybe you only got 1/2 a million.  YOu might get a prorated amount of SS, possibly a 1/3 or 1/2 of what the normal benefit would be, or your premium back whichever is greater.  The SS system was supposed to be a last ditch fallback for those whose lives didn't quite workout as planned.  Maybe an illness, death of spouse, what have you.  Most people treat it like their 401K plan.  Treat it like an insurance policy that you hope you never have to collect on.  Now many will find holes to shoot in this plan.  It is not perfect, it is a starting point that lowers the lifetime payouts to those who are more than financially well off.  This would extend the life of the fund and yet allow those who did well to at least get their premiums back instead of saying you make too much you get none even though you paid in.  If we all think about it for awhile,  It could work.. Not only that but 10 15 years down the road, this system might actually allow the total taken out per person to be lowered as the draw down on the account would be lowered.

 

It's just an idea.

Sep 20, 2011 3:03PM
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SS is a ponzi scheme. it was never funded properly since day 1. if a corporation ran its pension fund like the feds run SS, it would have been indicted in the largest fraud case in us history. SS has MULTIPLE problems. the top 4: SSI anytime you add a healthcare related entitlement to any entity=its doomed for failure. SSI should have NEVER burdened SS! 10% increase in the workforce since 2000, yet SSI claims are up over 70%? people who receive SSI worked. virtually every company offers disability insurance/very inexpensive. pay for it yourself! just like homeowners insurance. 2. SS SHOULD have been designed like an IRA. you get out of it what you pay into it. many generations have received 3 4 and 5 times as much as they have put in. 3. the min retirement age should have been raised well over a decade ago! 62 partial and 65 full? no wonder SS is broke! 4. the johnson admin was the first to raid SS. ask your congressman if his/her retirement fund is fully funded?
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