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How GOP offer would trim Social Security

Some say the cost-of-living adjustments to Social Security are too generous and should be reduced.

By MSN Money Partner Dec 17, 2012 2:50PM

This post comes from Matthew Heimer at partner site MarketWatch.

 

MarketWatch logoIn the latest round of fiscal cliff give and take, House Speaker John Boehner has made the most recent big move -- agreeing to accept an increase in tax rates on millionaires. In return, he's looking for a commitment to at least $1 trillion in spending cuts, including reductions in big entitlement programs.

 

Elderly Woman Looking Out a Window © Keith Brofsky, Photodisc, Getty ImagesAnd to help get there, according to The Wall Street Journal, he and other Republican leaders are putting a new emphasis on "a proposal to slow the growth of Social Security benefits by deploying a new formula for cost-of-living increases."

 

That formula is known among economists as the "chained consumer price index," or chained CPI, and it actually isn't especially new: Boehner and President Barack Obama were kicking it around during the 2011 budget talks as well, and it has support on both sides of the aisle.

 

Advocates of using chained CPI argue that the measures the government currently uses to measure inflation, and to set Social Security cost-of-living adjustments or COLAs, are actually too generous.

 

As Ed O'Keefe explains in The Washington Post today, "Policymakers generally make the assumption that when prices rise, people will turn to a less expensive product. They'll buy chicken instead of more expensive beef, iceberg lettuce instead of arugula, store-brand instead of name-brand cereal."

 

Traditional inflation measures don't catch this change in behavior, some economists think, but a chained CPI would. And using that measure, COLAs would be smaller by what the Congressional Budget Office estimates to be 0.3% each year.

Over time, that would add up: O'Keefe calculates that the average person who retired in 2000 at age 65 would be getting about 5% less than he's currently receiving if chained CPI had been in effect the entire time. But the sting of those cuts would be lessened, advocates say, because they'd be so gradual -- and, of course, because the current formula is too generous anyway.

 

To this line of thinking, the retort of most retiree advocacy groups (including AARP) is: Our raises are already too small. The average Social Security recipient just got a benefit increase of $19 a month for 2013 -- a "diet COLA," to use a favorite pejorative -- so retirees aren't exactly feeling flush.

 

But the real problem is that no inflation measure is keeping up with the biggest cost pressure that most retirees face -- rising health care costs. Medicare premiums are rising far faster than Social Security benefits, and they now eat up twice as big a share of the average retiree's benefits as they did in 2000, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

 

As Encore's Catey Hill reported when chained CPI first started making the rounds last summer, some advocacy group lobbied for the government to use a special "CPI-E" --where "E" stands for elderly -- that takes soaring medical bills into account.

 

Bottom line: Just about nobody reacts to medical inflation by saying, "That's OK, I'll just shop for a cheaper angioplasty." Until some kind of reform starts to flatten out that medical cost curve, changes to Social Security COLAs will probably remain a tough sell.

 

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Dec 17, 2012 5:37PM
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Chained CPI? Ummmm....

 

We already switched from arugula to iceberg, among many other things,  years ago to shore up our budget and plan for retirement.By the time we're actually IN retirement, that would mean switching from iceberg to lawn clippings...

 

 

 

 

Dec 17, 2012 5:36PM
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How come they always say its Social Security  that is dragging down the economy, well guess what its not, its the people on Welfare, Foodstamps and get HUD housing for nothing that is dragging down the economy.  The Social Security got a 1.74% raise this year, isn't that great, then they raise the Medicare cost over 2% well guess what we are going backwards instead of forwards.  Cut the PRESIDENTS, CONGRESS and H&G, PELOSI, CLINTON all of there salary out, they are rich, let them serve for no pay, its an honor to serve and it should not be a paid job.  Pull out all the PORK in the bills they pass and that will save a lot of money.  Also it costs the TAXPAYER $500,000 each time PELOSI flies home because she can't fly commercial too good to associate with the common people, take that figure X 2-3 times per week X 2 because she has to go back X 52 weeks, you would be surprised what its costing the TAXPAYER just for her.  They are the most wasteful people in the world, yet all they can do is cut Social Security benefits, if they would put the money back into Social Security that the idiot Johnson put into the general fund, there would be plenty of money in Social Security.  They need to drug test anyone on Welfare, do not let them get money back on their cards, in fact do away with it entirely, put it all into food banks, they can get the food they need, but no money.  If they are going to live on the TAXPAYERS, let the TAXPAYERS say what they can have.  I saw a woman at Walmart get money off her card, go right into the nail salon gave them the money and had her nails done.  I don't have my nails done and she can do hers at home as well.  There is a woman in the agency I work for that will not marry her childrens DAD because all her freebies would dry up and he is making over $100,000 per year.  This is abuse of the TAXPAYER and its got to stop, if you know someone that is doing wrong, report them.
Dec 17, 2012 5:36PM
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Boehner and the rest of the GOP BS Artists in Congress should take a cut in their paydays.  SS COLAS, Too Generous my BUTT!  How would they like to try to make it on what some of the folks on SS and Medicare get by on?  SS is not an entitlement, it is an Earned Benefit!  If they want to save some $$$, how about starting to negotiate drug prices for Medicare?  That would be a great place to start!  And then go after some of the wasted $$$ in Military expenses, like planes that they do not want or need!
Dec 17, 2012 5:31PM
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Entitlement? Perhaps the FED should return the 2.5 trillion they stole from social security and replaced with worthless treasury bonds. Social security is an issue because in 2016 the FED needs to start paying back the  money taken and has never enacted a plan to do so. Anyone that was in the prime of their career from 1983 on paid not only for the generation ahead of themselves but also were required to pony up half of their own. Time for Washington to wake up and start smelling the sh!t they're shoveling. I guess they just think we're stupid.
Dec 17, 2012 5:31PM
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Everyone is so invested with their own agenda that no one can tackle the whole picture - I'm a Democrat who wants the tax hike and the cuts in Defense, but I ALSO want to stop the COLA, raise the retirement age and raise the Medicare age for people who are currently under 50 (and I am so I am not being self serving.) A good deal is gonna affect everyone - the old, the young, the rich, the poor, the military, and private industry.
Dec 17, 2012 5:29PM
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I love how the media is framing this argument - The republicans want to cut social security.  How about the fact that for decades BOTh parties were bribing voters with goodies on BORROWED money. Now that the shi_ is hitting the preverbal fan, all of a sudden ANY talk of being fiscally responsible is being blamed on the republicans. Shame on all the dems for not being responsible (brave) enough to face up to the dismal financial mess they helped create as well.
Dec 17, 2012 5:28PM
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OK, so I buy beef maybe twice a year, when it's on sale, only buy lettuce when the price is down, and have bought store brands of just about everything for the past 40 years.  Medical care is costing more, and insurance is covering less, every day.

It's entirely possible that the CPI needs to be modified, but it should reflect reality, not some optimistic fantasy of the folks who want to eliminate Social Security.

Dec 17, 2012 5:28PM
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If they are worried about SS cost then why reduce SS payroll deductions by 2%. Won't this add to the problem. Remember SS is the retirement for many people and they need to live on it. First cut the Federal Retirement and Benefits plan. It is far more generous than SS.
Dec 17, 2012 5:26PM
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Since I receive a monthly Social Security Check from a fund that I paid into for around 50 years, I will agree to the change on condition: Congress immediately stop Automatic Pay Raises (they do vote (ha) on it each year) for themselves and receive the same "increase" that Social Security recipients get. Remember and at one time: Social Security was completely SOLVENT. Then our congress "dipped" into the fund for other "pet" projects that would not cause Income Tax to increase. Rob Peter to pay Paul. Oh! and by the way thanks for the 1.7% increase. Mr. Congressperson: How much was your raise this year????
Dec 17, 2012 5:26PM
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I agree Britt, social security is not an ENTITLEMENT!! we have worked and paid into that program all our working lives, what a bunch of crap. If congress had never touched the program and moved it to the general fund so they could BORROW money social security would be fine. Congress should live on a SS retirement instead of the bloated pig ENTITLEMENT they voted for themselves.
Dec 17, 2012 5:25PM
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Government has no business or right to tamper with our SS & it is not an entitlement. When they take money out of OUR SS fund it is the same as stealing. Al Gore should be incarcerated for being responsible for voting SS to become part of the general fund ! We send them to Washington after they make false promises to administer for our rights then they do whatever they please. Every swinging SOB in congress and the senate should be sent home after one term with no retirement benefits  then let's see how bad they scream. THE GENERAL AMERICAN VOTERS ARE NOTHING BUT WORTHLESS TRASH AND DESERVE WHAT WE ARE ALL GETTING FROM WASH.
Dec 17, 2012 5:25PM
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II am 70 and have paid SS for 57 years, praise be to God I am still able to work. I paid taxes on the SS withheld, and now that I have started to draw my SS (not my Entitlement) since I am able to work I have to pay taxes on what I draw, plus I have to pay into the system each pay check, last year I did not get a cost of living increase, I did get $4 per month because I was paying into it and that increased my benefits. Which I again pay taxes on the $4 so I really don't get $4. If I recall didn't ObamaCare borrow $750 million from our SS.

 

Why don't we cut back on some of the entitlement for former congressman, plus some of the perks and entitlements they collect at present, free medical for life, free travel, free postal, free etc. Maybe we could cut back their pay schedule to reflect more the average of the nation instead of the outrageous pay the get now for working how many days? Plus taking off early for every break they can. What did our President sit in on was it 90 roll calls. The numbers slip my mind, the point being aren't they suppose to represent us and not their own aristocracy.

 

Don't get me wrong, I thank the good Lord for all this nation offers, and the freedoms it affords. But it's time to make some major cuts not just some more taxes. It just seems they always go after SS.

 

God bless! Thanks for letting me have my say. God bless and have mercy on the USA!

Dec 17, 2012 5:23PM
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The politicians call it an entitlement because they took our SS money and flushed it down the toliet..Social Security is broke because of worthless politicians that we elected! Shame on us!

Dec 17, 2012 5:23PM
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They all should take a 10 per cent cut in Washington and start paying for their Benefits.

They been stealing from the taxpayers their whole life in office.

Dec 17, 2012 5:22PM
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In my opinion when speaking of entitlements the writer should use the terms of earned entitlements and unearned entitlements. Earned entitlements would be such things Social Security, federal, state and company retirement. Earned entitlements are based on ones earning, years of service and contribution amount. Unearned entitlements are such things as food stamps, free school lunches, subsidized housing, free  cell phones, Medicaid, SSI (social security payments to people with limited income and resources) and the list goes on. There is a difference between earned and unearned and the major difference is one spent years working and the other set on their butt.
Dec 17, 2012 5:20PM
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Why don't they cut the ENORMOUS DEFENSE BUDGET??????  Seniors earned their SS over many many years.  TEAPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS GET FULL RETIREMENT BENEFITS - WHY DON'T THEY CUT THAT SINCE MOST IN CONGRESS ARE ALREADY MILLIONAIRES!
Dec 17, 2012 5:19PM
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GOP going after it's strongest voting block with this one.

Dec 17, 2012 5:19PM
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On $45K annual pay, about $6K goes to SS and Medicare combined annually. At  current rates, that would figure out to be over 1/4-Million dollars lifetime investment with NO interest. The term 'entitlement program' as tagged by the government suggests the funds paid are privileged, which they are not. If a person puts 1/4 Million in the bank, they are not 'entitled' to get it back; it is and always will be their own money and in all actuality it is the bank that is 'entitled' to use the depositors funds collectively for investing and loans to remain solvent and/or profitable, and not the other way around. Now replace the word Bank with Government. Sounds a little crooked doesn't it?   
Dec 17, 2012 5:19PM
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Well if we have to take a cut to our almost non-existant SS then what can we take away form our government employees in the house and the senate! I mean they have top notch healthcare, top notch pensions and I think they get paid for insurance when they retire (not sure of that) so lets take that stuff, all of them are way more than we get to begin with. Lets make it a requirement that to get a pension they have to  be a member for 7 years like ours lets cut the pensions down to minimal yearly increases like we get. Lets cut there healthcare coverage to what the government will allow for welfare recipients will get and make them pay for 2/3 of it out of there pockets. Whey they retire lets make them fend for themselves and depend on medicare and Medicaid in retirement and then subsidize it with other insurance completely out of there own pocket. I mean come on fare is fare don't try and slam the ordinary Joe and reduce what he/she is going to get unless you are ready to except it yourself! There Mr. Obama put something like that into your next proposal and see how they like it! I'm just say-in!
Dec 17, 2012 5:19PM
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why dont they start with all there health care pensions  travel payments and there pay and tax the money they get from people and businesses that want favors and why cant we vote on what they get they just give them selves raises cost of living and benefits and then go down the line every one being paid with tax money cut there over paid jobs and pay what is paid for the same job in the privet work force
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