How stocks have fared under 2,000 days of Obama

The market returns are notable, but the most impressive stock gains in history came under another president.

By MSN Money Partner Jul 11, 2014 12:25PM
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Caption: U.S. President Barack Obama pauses while speaking about the economy in Denver July 9, 2014By Russ Britt, MarketWatch

It's been almost 2,000 days since President Barack Obama entered the Oval Office. We here at MarketWatch thought it would be fitting to measure this milestone against the stock market's performance.


Obama was sworn in amid extreme financial turmoil in January 2009, roughly six weeks before the stock markets hit bottom in the wake of the Great Recession. Pretty much the only direction for stocks to go was up.


How far up, though? More important, how do gains under Obama compare with gains under other presidents who made it to 2,000 days?


Answer: He's in the top half of the eight presidents since the Great Depression whose time in office lasted that long. That can always change, of course. And there's considerable debate over whether he -- or any other president for that matter -- can influence the stock market or whether they're just along for the ride.


"I wouldn't be looking to give the administration a lot of credit for the stock market's (performance)," said Sam Stovall, managing director of U.S. Equity Strategy at S&P Capital IQ. He notes, however, that stocks generally do better under Democrats than Republicans, particularly when stocks start out low.


As of right now, Obama ranks third behind top-finisher Bill Clinton and runner-up Franklin Delano Roosevelt in terms of stock gains, according to our calculations. After Obama, in order, it’s Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, George W. Bush and Richard Nixon. (Yes, Nixon barely made it in this club; he resigned 2,027 days into his presidency amid the Watergate scandal.)


There are a few surprises in the data. First, Obama not only finished ahead of Reagan, thought by many to be the architect of one of the greatest economic recoveries of the 20th century, he will be well ahead of him when his 2,000th day comes on Saturday. Major stock indexes have averaged gains of more than 140 percent under Obama, while they were up 88 percent at this same point in the Reagan years.


Pan the economic lens out, though, and the gap closes. You'll see stock gains averaged just under 113 percent when Reagan completed his full eight years, or 2,922 days in office. That's still short of the market's advance under Obama, but all it would take is a cumulative drop of roughly 10 percent in the three indexes, and Obama could fall below that mark by the time his second term ends.


Which is within the realm of possibility. Note that the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) thrived during Reagan’s last 2.5 years despite the 1987 crash, and ended up gaining more than 130 percent in all, well ahead of Obama's current 104 percent gain. On the other hand, the Nasdaq Composite Index ($COMPX) has flourished under Obama, up 189 percent thus far compared with 94 percent for Reagan's two full terms.


Democrats over Republicans 4-1

Another surprise, also sure to rankle the right, is that stock market gains under four post-Depression Democrats on their 2,000th day in office have outpaced that of the four Republicans in the same era by a factor of nearly 4 to 1. Democratic gains have averaged 132 percent while Republican increases are at a mean of 33 percent.


Stovall notes that pattern follows historic precedent. When there's a split Congress, Democratic presidents see four times the gains that Republicans do, as well as when Democratic administrations do battle with a unified Republican Congress. Markets, however, do better under Republicans when they control the White House and both houses of Congress than when Democrats are in the same catbird seat.


Before embarking further, a word about MarketWatch's methodology. We averaged the changes in the Dow, Nasdaq and the Standard & Poor's 500 Index ($INX) for the first 2,000 days for four of the eight post-Depression presidents who made it that far: Reagan, Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama. For Eisenhower and Nixon, only Dow and S&P data were available. And for Roosevelt and Truman it was just the Dow.


Starting with the Jan. 20 Inauguration Day, the 2,000th page on the office calendar turned for six of the presidents halfway through their sixth year on July 12. The dates were different for Roosevelt, who was first sworn in back when Inauguration Day was March 4, and Truman, who assumed power when Roosevelt died shortly into his fourth term in April 1945.


For the sake of doing this sooner rather than later, we're jumping the gun a little on Obama, whose 2,000th day isn't until Saturday. But unless the markets drop more than 20 percent on Friday, he should hang on to his current standing.


We didn't just limit our examination to 2,000-day presidents, we also looked at stock gains under all chief executives since FDR. In that study, Obama would remain in the top three even if stocks were flat for the rest of his term, and he would climb to second behind Clinton if they grew at their current pace. If they drop, of course, it’s anyone’s guess where the Obama presidency ends up in investing history.


A few caveats: Economists have done similar examinations that probably are more scientific than MarketWatch's. One potential flaw is that we didn't take dividends or inflation into account; the percentage gains are based solely on nominal numbers available.


We figure that we’re looking at percentage gains during that 5.5-year window where inflation largely remained a constant through that period. Feel free to poke holes in that logic. Morgan Housel, senior analyst at Motley Fool, wasn't afraid to do so.


"Including dividends is not only fair but essential, as over time they represent a large chunk of the market's overall returns," Housel said.


He points out that Gerald Ford would top the S&P list when dividend returns are put into the mix. It was strong enough to keep him there even when you factor in the crippling inflation of the day. His immediate successor, Jimmy Carter, falls down Housel's list mostly because inflation severely hampered returns and led to his loss after one term to Reagan.


Still, Obama does well by Housel's measure, finishing second to Ford among presidents in the post-Depression era, one spot ahead of Clinton. That's due mostly to extremely low inflation during Obama's term.


Further, our time range is limited. Since the modern economy and government's role in it took shape during and after the Great Depression, we decided to examine gains or losses dating back only to the Roosevelt administration.


The relatively small sampling of 2,000-day presidents also may skew the data. A broader look at all 13 chief executives from FDR to Obama offers a more impressive view of the current president, but it also closes the gap between Democrats and Republicans on overall stock performance.


By including all seven Democrats in this category, it drops their party's average gain to 109 percent while the addition of two more Republicans brought that group of six's average up to 46 percent.


"I don't think we have a big enough sample size," Housel said. He says other databases over a longer time frame still would show a slight advantage for Democrats, but the gap is minimal.

Yet Democrats seem to generally be doing better than Republicans in the modern era. While their gains have been meager at times, all seven Democrats have posted gains. Two Republican administrations -- that of the scandal-plagued Nixon and the crash-riddled George W. Bush -- posted the only losses.


One thing to note is that No. 2 FDR and No. 3 Obama came to power when stocks were near a trough. In FDR's case, his predecessor Republican Herbert Hoover presided over a spectacular crash in stocks that led to the Depression. For Obama, George W. Bush laid the groundwork for a big upward swing when a number of banks failed and the markets tumbled late in his presidency.


Starting from scratch

"It would have been a good time to start for any president," said Allan Drazen, professor of economics at the University of Maryland. "Given the large drop, it's not surprising that he [Obama] does well."


By far, though, the most impressive stock market gains were made in the Clinton era, when stocks far outgained that of any other administration, leaping nearly 244 percent. All three stock indexes more than tripled, while the Nasdaq nearly quadrupled amid the white-hot dot-com boom.


"How much of Clinton's over-the-moon performance was due to his ability to have pretty good policy, and how much was his ability to not mess things up?” Drazen asked. He theorizes that because Clinton was up against an uncooperative Republican Congress, it helped to bring down deficits and thus have a halo effect on the stock market. Obama could be faced with that this year when the 2014 midterm elections take place.


So when all is said and done, how will stocks fare once Obama leaves office in January 2017?


If growth remains on its current pace, average gains for the three indexes should more than triple to 207 percent, putting Obama in second place behind Clinton. That's a big if, though.


Another surprise: It could do better.


Some economists who follow presidents and stock markets theorize that the third year of a four-year term usually is productive for investors as the government is trying to push through programs that appeal to the public and help boost the economy. The idea is to prepare for the fourth year when elections take place and incumbents either are trying to get re-elected or set the table for their party's nominee.


Obama's third year starts next January, so under that theory, stocks could rise at an even faster pace. And if Drazen is correct, that could be amplified if Republicans get control of Congress.

Peter Cohan, a management consultant and professor at Babson College in Wellesley, Mass., says there still is room for growth in stocks if price-to-earnings ratios are any indication.


"The P/E ratios are not at speculative levels," he said. "Even though [the market] has gone up so much, it's not in bubble territory."


Cohan says P/E ratios now stand at 19 to 20. At the height of the dot-com bubble, they were 40. During the 2007 housing bubble, ratios had climbed to 60.


Others aren't so sure that Obama will follow the typical third-year path. For one, the third year of his first term in 2011 didn't bring a remarkable bonanza for stocks and the markets were largely flat during that year.


Since then, stocks have been on a tear and many are predicting they're due for a fall. And as this third year approaches, many of the things that presidents try to do in preparation for the next election, such as keeping inflation down, don't really apply to Obama. The Federal Reserve, in fact, is looking to finally raise interest rates after so many down years.


And given Obama's rancorous relationship with Republicans in Congress, any attempts he might make to stimulate the economy could be met with stiff resistance.


"I think there's a fairly good presumption of, even if he wanted to do that, he couldn't," said Drazen.


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789Comments
Jul 11, 2014 1:36PM
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Last time I checked I didn't own any stock, the only thing I've noticed is higher grocery prices high gas prices more illegals in this country than ever high unemployment and our oil being shipped overseas more than ever. Yep when you are on fixed income you notice that and a lot more, plus I paid into SS and medicare all my working life and watch all that money go to illegals and have to fight the government for everything I paid into
Jul 11, 2014 1:20PM
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SUMMER OF RECOVERY PART 6

I NEED 3.7 BILLION FOR SOME ILLEGALS (UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS )

DON'T WORRY THEY WON'T BE WORKING HERE,,, JUST VOTING AND ON WELFARE
Jul 11, 2014 12:36PM
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Let's remove the QE and see how things are doing, nice try propping up your messiah!!
Jul 11, 2014 1:27PM
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Sorry, media puppets, but this is NOT an accurate indicator of the overall economic status of the country... and the overall status is NOT good. More media bulls**t.
Jul 11, 2014 12:41PM
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how about 92 million under obama not working.  Thats up from Bush and other republicans.

 

how about obama having 50 million on the govt dole.  thats higher than any republican president before him.

 

MSN doesn't care about those stats

Jul 11, 2014 1:16PM
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Let it be known - Wall Street has fared quite well under the Obama Imperialist Regime.....Main Street, not so much....
Jul 11, 2014 1:30PM
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Obama is pumping twenty billion dollars a week and has been for years to just keep the economy from imploding. What else do you expect of the stock market? Just take a look at the rest of the country. I wonder what those ninety five million who are out of work and not even included in the current unemployment rate think about it all.

Jul 11, 2014 1:11PM
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So, Wall Street has gotten rich off our Boi King? Wonder why the "Occupy" movement didn't pick up on this?
Jul 11, 2014 12:42PM
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What about obama and the mount of debt he has added?  Almost 8 trillion now in 5.5 years.  bush only went up about 6 trillion in 8 years.

 

How about QE spending under democrats vs republicans?  How much QE under obama vs under Bush?

 

MSN doesn't want to talk about that

Jul 11, 2014 12:55PM
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economists downgrade GDP growth for 2nd qtr and rest of 2014.

 

 

BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE IN A RECOVERY?

 

Jul 11, 2014 12:39PM
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how about the GDP after 5.5 years of obamas "recovery"  How about a negative 2.9% in the first qtr.

 

-2.9%

 

nice recovery obama.

Jul 11, 2014 1:33PM
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Anyone who knows anything about financials realizes the market is cyclical. It has almost nothing to do with how screwed up our gov't officials are.
Jul 11, 2014 1:39PM
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What the author of this story needs to breakdown is of those 2000 days of each Presidents time is who controlled Congress. Congress is who has more influence on how the stock market will react. If my memory serves me, Bill Clinton had a Republican controlled Congress that would actually WORK with him. Today the market is being artificially kept high by the FED stimulus. Take that away and it will tank.
Jul 11, 2014 1:49PM
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Stock performance isn't a reflection on the current economy.  There is no point in comparing stock performance between presidents, especially presidents who artificially prop up companies & banks.
Jul 11, 2014 1:17PM
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Good news - Only 30 more months and we can realize Martin Luther King Jr's vision. —‘Free at last, Free at last, Thank God almighty we are free at last.’

That's how much time before a new President replaces Obama.

Jul 11, 2014 1:11PM
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obama is still a sh!t president. Any improvements in the economy are in spite of him...not because of him.
Jul 11, 2014 4:12PM
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Nice propoganda piece by the by the left leaning knee-pad lame stream media. How about this for a headline. We'll simply call it "UNDER OBAMA". Under Obama 55% of Americans are using Federal Safety net programs. Under Obama 46 million people are on foodstamps. Up 14 million under Obama! 8.94 million Americans are on some form of disability. Up 20% under Obama! Gasoline prices are up 100% since Obama took office & food prices are at an all time high...                                                                           

  

Jul 11, 2014 1:38PM
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DAVE 

240 + bills on REIDS desk        ENOUGH SAID !
Jul 11, 2014 2:04PM
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HOW WOULD YOU LIKE B.O. TO BE YOUR CEO??????!!!!

Feds blow $100 billion a year on incorrect payments
The Department of Health and Human Services and the IRS are 2 of the biggest offenders, but the food stamp program is a success story.

Between 2002 and 2012, federal agencies spent more than half a trillion dollars ($688 billion) on payments that should never have been made.


Every year, according to their own record-keeping, the agencies that administer major federal programs are now paying out more than $100 billion improperly, and even though they're aware of the problem, they recover only a tiny fraction for taxpayers. This adds up to huge losses for the U.S. Treasury.


Jul 11, 2014 4:25PM
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I must agree. Wall Street is a joke for the average working stiff. How well have 85% of Americans come out of this mess.  The rich get richer.  The gap widens.  Middle class America shrinks to a lessor level and they have less disposal income.  The country weakens on the world front. Are we less vulnerable. Not on your life. Does the American public trust government more---NO. Is leadership in both houses doing their job-NO. And all is across party lines.  Does the average American feel safer-NO. Do they view the future brighter-NO.


Maybe we ought to rethink how we judge readership in all forms of government and leave Wall Street out of the picture for the good of the country as a whole.  Maybe we are better informed by truths than false pictures politically driven.

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