What the 'dividend cliff' means for investors

Unless Congress acts, the wealthiest taxpayers will see a sudden spike in dividend taxes.

By Kim Peterson Oct 15, 2012 2:24PM
Image: Mature couple calculating expenses -- Abel Mitja Varela, the Agency Collection, Getty ImagesOn Jan. 1, dividend taxes are going up. And they may be going up a lot -- so much so that The Wall Street Journal is calling it the "dividend cliff."

How bad is it? Right now, the maximum dividend tax is 15%, the same rate as long-term capital gains. But for the wealthiest investors -- those making more than $200,000 a year or filing a joint return of $250,000 or more -- that rate could soar to 43.4%.

Those rate increases could kick in if Congress does not act. But there is the very strong likelihood that after the November elections, Congress will extend the current tax system for a year in order to figure out some more sensible changes. Right now, everything is in flux.

Even if Congress does act, the wealthiest investors will still face a new 3.8% surtax on dividends. That came out of President Obama's health care legislation. So even if the low rates are continued, the top dividend tax rate will rise to 18.8%.

Here's one example of how the surtax would work, according to The Journal. Say a married couple jointly reports $400,000 in income, including $160,000 in investment income. Their income is $150,000 above that $250,000 threshold, so the surcharge would apply to that $150,000 amount. They would owe $5,700 more in taxes.

Wealthiest investors could see dividend tax rates spike if Congress allows dividends to be taxed like ordinary income. In that case, the richest taxpayers could see the dividend rate go to 39.6% plus the 3.8% surtax.

The dividend tax hikes are a huge question mark for companies trying to figure out when to schedule their dividend payouts. Scheduling it before Jan. 1 makes sense, and it really makes no difference to companies financially if they speed up their dividend to meet the deadline, reports Jason Zweig of The Journal.

So expect to see increasing investor pressure on companies to pay out dividends in December instead of January. One company that is so far sticking firm to a January payout is Wal-Mart (WMT), which is holding on to its Jan. 3 payout date, Zweig reports. So far, the retailer shows no signs of moving that date. Other companies, like General Electric (GE), aren't saying what they're going to do.

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Oct 15, 2012 4:33PM
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I dont believe their should be an extension of tax breaks i believe we need to get busy and stop the wars and pay down our debt. we also need to pass into law a limit on the size of pension we pay to any elected official. that amout should be the same amount that any other private or public worker gets. also just like the rest of us americans all elected officals should be paying their own healthcare just like all the rest of us rather than the tax payer foot the bill. I dont see any reason why any person making over 100,000 a year cant not afford to pay their own healthcare insurrance
Oct 15, 2012 3:17PM
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If the Democrats win the Presidency and majority of both Houses you will mot see an extension.
Oct 15, 2012 5:13PM
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Ok, lets take a step back on this, and look at how this affects a retiree.  Forget about the wealthy who making over 250K.  Let look at a retired elderly woman who is living on their dividend income of 35,350.  Under the current plan those dividends are taxed at 15% or  approx $5,250.  Under the new plan they are taxed at 25% or $8,750.  Thats is an extra $3,500!  That pretty huge increase.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but this affects everyone who's income tax bracket is above the 15% and has some sort of dividend income, not just the rich! 

 

Please dont be fooled by Obama and taxing the rich, he is increasing taxes on everyone who invests.

 

Lets take a  35 year old tech worker in silicon valley who makes 85,651 and has 20k in dividend investment income.  Instead of paying $3000(15%) in dividen taxes, he would now pay $5,600(28%) an extra $2,600.  Extra cash he may have used to purchase something that would add to the economic growth, but now that purchase is squashed.

 

 

 

Oct 15, 2012 4:55PM
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I have an idea. How about all you lazy, envious couch potatoes go start a business. Work 18-20 hour days for 7 years and become successful and wealthy. Then the government can tax all you screwballs to death for the money they need to waste and overspend. Sheeeessh. Wake up. Socialism and class envy are killing the Republic. Yes, lefties, we are a Republic, not a democracy.
Oct 15, 2012 3:24PM
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Best way to defend this is to simply vote Communist obama out of office ! Then there will be no worry !
Oct 15, 2012 5:00PM
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Punishing people for having wealth basically removes the incentive to gain wealth to begin with.  Similar to communism, if everyone is paid the same, no-one will work hard at anything unless there is a gun pointed at their heads.

No incentive to gain anything reduces us all to the lowest common denominator, poor and miserable.

I'm sure the liberals just love that idea....everyone poor and miserable....


Oct 15, 2012 4:52PM
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How about a flat tax? Why should I pay more proportionately than anyone else? "Congress shall make no law that treats one citizen differently than another." Why is it OK to fleece a citizen that happens to have more personal property than you? Money is just personal property. The government is great at misinformation. Only in the government could STEALING LESS of my property be considered a "tax break". Please people, wake up.

Oct 15, 2012 8:00PM
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Attention Dems. If you like bigger government, higher taxes, government running your life vote for the socialist Husain Obama. These socialist polices create wealthy and poor classes only. If you believe that you can run your life better than politicians and prefer smaller government and less taxes vote Republican.

 

Oct 15, 2012 4:58PM
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Hello Rich Folks, welcome to the middle class!!!!!!
Oct 16, 2012 3:25PM
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Economic envy knows no limits or boundaries.  It is part of human nature itself.   It boils down to this:  If I make a penny more than you per year, you will be envious of my income and call me 'rich' and vehemently call for the immediate confiscation of my extra penny to be 'redistributed' to those who do not deserve it in any way shape or form.

This is the lowest common denominator in the envy game.

You cannot punish other people for having more money than you do, period. 

It doesn't matter if you 'think they don't deserve it' or not, confiscation of wealth is not deserved no matter what your income level.  There will always be envy.  Suck it up and accept that there will be differences in economic status.




Oct 16, 2012 12:53PM
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[1] Ayn Rand is dead;

[2] Her ideas were stillborn;

[3] Her devotees are more than braindead;

[4] Her devotees are vicious braindead.

Oct 15, 2012 4:04PM
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Your example of a couple with $160,000 in investment income and their having to pay an extra $5,700 in taxes does not make me feel sorry for them.  To have $160,000 in ivestment income means they problably have a net worth of about $7,000,000.00.  Should I feel sorry for them.  Hell no!  They probably inherited that money.  Bad example.  Anybody who has an income of $400,000.00 can afford an extra $5,700.00.  They'll just have to cut back on their Starbucks fancy coffees.
Oct 15, 2012 4:17PM
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well here we are again everyone is supposed to feel sorry for the wealthy for losing  an estimated 5700 in a year. what everybody  seems to forget is when they are taxed more they just invest their money into other accts, bonds, stocks or business write-off's  . after all they probally pay the accountant a heck of alot more than the 5700 they would lose  just to try and save it. Yo have 80% of the population who dont even know what 400,000 looks like  and probally never will yet  we need to make sure the 20% who do earn this get their dyas and months in the news.
Oct 15, 2012 7:28PM
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Seriously??  I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who make that kind of money paying more in taxes!  When and if I ever make that much it would be an honor to pay my share.  What really irks me are the commercials for tax lawyers who get lower settlements for people who owe hundreds of thousands in taxes - really?? if you make so much that you owe that much, you really need a new  accountant to help your tax planning!
Oct 15, 2012 4:41PM
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taking 1 dollar away from a rich man is like pulling a tooth from a child, alot of screaming and crying
Oct 15, 2012 5:25PM
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so I take it all you republican's out there are blaming obamma on the impass about our cliff is that correct? seems to me earlier in the year  Our president and  the republican house leader reached an agreement on our debt, taxes and cuts. it was however the republican congress! do you get that republican's (the republican congress) including mr ryan who voted no so here we sit and listen to you republican's complaining about your taxes getting raised. write your congress a letter  and ask them why they vote no on everything. stop blaming the president he dont make the laws the congress does.
Oct 15, 2012 5:12PM
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and for all you republican's out there who swear you are  reliegous what does your bible say about greed and excesiveness
Oct 15, 2012 5:10PM
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boy are you clueless wirelessmouse lets see now  russia communist country has many many millionares, china the country with the most population in the world also communist country has many many millionares and continues to buy our land and businesses. so perhaps you can use a different  example for  people to have an incentive to make money .I do not think the united states should ever become a communist country although with the republican's in power we keep getting closer. but perhaps you migh want to look at the incintive to make money as a greed issue after all money can also become excesive

Oct 15, 2012 5:41PM
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if I had my way any man or woman who is a republican and voted for president bush I would doubble their taxes so we could pay for the two wars he started and still going on today. you want war republicans pay for it with your own taxes and leave the democrats out of it
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