Are Obama's employment gains for real?

After a poor debate performance, the president's re-election campaign gets a boost from a surprise drop in joblessness. But something doesn't seem right.

By Anthony Mirhaydari Oct 5, 2012 1:45PM

Stockbyte, SuperStockAll of this seems just a little too perfect.  I'm not a tin-hat conspiracy theorist, but something doesn't smell right. On the face of it, the economy seems to be gaining traction despite terrible ancillary evidence, including pitiful reports on durable goods and factory orders. Friday's jobs report showed the unemployment rate dropping to 7.8%, thanks to a whopping 873,000 spike in household employment (vs. a 368,000 drop in August).

 

That's the largest one-month gain in 29 years, excluding the annual Census population adjustments. It also far exceeds the gains suggested by the 114,000 increase in payrolls, calculated based on a separate survey of businesses.

 

Is it election year statistical engineering, as suggested by former GE CEO Jack Welch on Twitter when he said the data are a response to Obama's debate performance? Or is the job market truly bouncing back?

 

Partisans are up in arms. Americans for Limited Government issued a statement saying the numbers used by the Bureau of Labor Statistics are wrong or manipulated. Labor Secretary Hilda Solis fired back that "it is insulting when you hear people just cavalierly say that somehow we're manipulating numbers."

 

 

There are some irregularities. Superficially, there are things like the way the number of people who gained part-time employment for economic reasons (582,000) was precisely two-thirds of the 873,000 household survey increase. That's 66.666666% out to as many decimal places as you'd care to calculate. That seems a little too perfect.

 

There is also that gap between the household survey employment gains and the payroll gains on the establishment survey. At 759,000, it's the eighth-largest gap since 1948 and the largest gap since 2003.

 

 

There's also the fact that the employment-to-population ratio, arguably a truer measure of the health of the labor market, has barely budged. Translation: The economy is adding only enough jobs to just offset population growth.

 

 

The broader U6 measure of unemployment was also unchanged, at 14.7%, because of the rise in part-time workers who would rather have a full-time job. The gap between the U6 and the standard U4 measure remains large.

 

The report also relied heavily on gains in education, which compensated for weaker-than-expected private-sector gains, as well as part-time positions. And the household survey, the source of the drop in the unemployment rate, is well-known for being very volatile and prone to seasonal adjustment errors. For instance, there has been a surge in part-time positions in September for each of the past three years, which suggests the BLS' models need tweaking.

 

 

Analysts at Merrill Lynch aren't convinced the gains are sustainable, given the economic drag likely from the "fiscal cliff" of tax hikes and spending cuts worth about 5% of GDP unless Congress acts before year's end. Already, political uncertainty has CEOs nervous, withholding capital investments and new orders. That will drag on employment in the months to come.

 

Unless payroll gains increase markedly, the drop in the unemployment rate won't be maintained -- the point made in the Merrill Lynch chart above.

 

Payroll gains of about 100,000 just won't cut it. According to Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg, given that we're in the 39th month of an economic expansion, typical monthly payroll gains would be around 220,000. Also, 47% of private-sector companies either cut their staffing requirements or held them steady, up from 42% just three months ago. Fewer than 40% of manufacturers are hiring.

 

No surprise then that more than half the payroll gain was concentrated in two sectors: education/health and leisure/hospitality, which, combined, represent just a 25% share of overall employment.

 

Also, weekly wage gains were offset by higher costs at the gas pump and at the grocery store. Thus, despite the drop in the unemployment rate, Rosenberg expects Q3 GDP growth to still clock in around 1.5%. That just isn't fast enough.

 

Philippa Dunne of the Liscio Report notes that we've regained close to half -- 48% -- of the jobs lost between December 2007 and February 2010. At the current pace of job creation, it'll take 40 months to recoup all the losses.

 

The proof is in the pudding. If the job gains translate into higher spending and income data, and stronger September retail sales numbers, than the critics and skeptics will be proved wrong. If not, maybe Jack Welch, who knows a thing or two about tweaking numbers to maintain consistent earnings growth while at GE, was on to something.

 

For now, Wall Street seems unconvinced. Consumer stocks, such as those represented by the Retail SPDR (XRT) and the Consumer Discretionary SPDR (XLY), have been lagging the overall market since mid-September.

 


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64Comments
Oct 5, 2012 2:33PM
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Well let's see....unemployment figures drop just below 8% for the first time in 44 months 34 days prior to the election...Hmmm, what a coincidence, huh.
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Figures do not lie, but liars will figure.
Oct 5, 2012 2:52PM
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Did more people get jobs - Yes. Did more people stop looking - Yes. is there any real progress - No.
Oct 5, 2012 5:42PM
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Then why am I still unemployed not to mention friends and neighbors!  Very suspicious after the presidential contender debate.

Watch the number jump back up if O'liar wins.

Oct 5, 2012 10:04PM
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TO THINK THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO STILL BELIEVE THE LIES

AND THE OBAMA FANTASY PMSNBC PROPAGANDA BULL!

Oct 7, 2012 7:39AM
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Smoke and mirrors.  The deceptions of this administration are egregious!
Oct 7, 2012 9:57AM
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Chicago politics at some of its most desperate and filthiest. I really do hope they get sent back to their filthy little corners back where they belong in Nov.
Oct 6, 2012 1:41AM
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 Labor Secretary Hilda Solis is not qualified to be Labor Secretary and has done nothing to help unemployment. She should be investigated and fired.  She has stacked the deck on this and is fighting back as people question her figures.  This is just Obama inside person at work.
Oct 5, 2012 4:23PM
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oh crap its' simple the teachers are back in school, seasonal uptick lol

 

Oct 5, 2012 3:38PM
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There's an old saying:
There are lies
There are damned lies
And there are statistics!! 
Oct 5, 2012 9:26PM
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It went down because WalMart, Sears, KMart etc hired part timers for the Christmas Holidays - SURE!!!  This stuff makes me want to GOOGLE - I mean giggle.
Oct 6, 2012 12:36PM
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If illegal immigration were brought under control most of the joblessness could be solved. While there would still be issues with the types of jobs and pay levels, low and semi skilled job pay rates would rise to a level that legal citizems would take them. We would have no need for min wage, entreprenuers would form new ventures to fill the void and the economy would experience a whole new level of stimulus backed by goods and services. This would be sustainable and valid and easily replace the feds counterfieting practices.

Yes, we would all pay more for these products and services in the short run but the additional tax revenue from legal earners would start to ease our debt burden if congress would put the breaks on any additional spending, a trickle up phenomena would occur. I had rather pay $12 for a fast food hamburger knowing that a legal resident is in the kitchen than an illegal paying no income tax, living in a house wth 12 other people, and sending most of their earnings out of the country.

Even in the short run if crops rot in the field, the market would raise the price of the product where a legal person in need of a job will take it.

Republicans and democrats alike avoid taking on this issue. The dems want the illegals to become dem voters and the repubs want the cheap labor for their corporate and agribusiness donors. If you take away the jobs- THEY WILL STOP COMING. Higher prices from higher labor costs can be off set by reductions in government spending over the longer term and shoild be helped by tax reductions as the illegals drain on social services, education, and medical incrementally reduce to a sustainable level.

A recent study concluded that an average family of 4 illegals will pay around $12,000 annually in taxes and fees to local governments, probaly pay no or little federal taxes and receive over $32,000 annually in benefits. Never mind the idealogy that accompanies this debate. THE MATH WILL NOT WORK OVER THE LONG TERM.

I am for finding a way to legalize worthy illegals who are here but I dont pretend to know how to do it in a fair manner that most americans would accept as a pragmatic solution. Obamas administration and congress are heavily populated with ivy league scholars and lawyers-seems they could figure it out .

In closing, another study reveals that 40% of immigrants that come to the U. S. are still in poverty 20 years after they arrive having not developed skills and learned the language that could lift them out of poverty.

REALITY IS PAINFUL.  

Oct 5, 2012 3:16PM
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The new employment figures released today just can't be true! People I personally know, and I, were not counted for one! Our unemployment stopped many months ago. I know I will not get any benefits... BUT!... I should be counted If I reapply for unemployment benefits. I want anyone who really cares about this to let their friends know, who are still unemployed with out benefits, to reapply so they will be counted. I believe there are enough of us to cripple the system once this gets going. This is one effort that truly needs to go VIRAL all over the USA. please help spread this effort :(
Oct 6, 2012 9:32AM
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No...!! They are not for real....the shell game is continuing and the lies and deception are in plain sight. They count what they want ...they say how many are discouraged in any given month to satisfy their needs.....They are just out rite liars...!!!
Oct 5, 2012 3:16PM
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how much are all these new jobs paying most of them are about ten dollars an hour

thats all im finding a far cry from what i was making

Oct 7, 2012 11:02AM
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You need only ask yourself one question.  Do you TRUST the Federal Government and the politicians, meaning all politicians -- Democrats, Republicans, Tea Partiers, Independents, etc.? Therein lies the the truth of these employment/unemployment numbers.  Remember, the presidential election is just two months away!

Don Moore
Oct 5, 2012 5:30PM
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The importance of numbers that are correct cannot be overestimated.

 

Decisions by governments, entrepreneurs, and big business alike depend on the reliability of these figures.

 

If these numbers are shown to be numbers that no confidence can be vested with, the effects will be felt far and wide. 

Oct 6, 2012 9:52AM
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The media helps the continued lies to calm the public.....and print half stories I tired of them too...!!! They are following the New World order agenda ..which is keep them busy and uninformed and misinformed...Yes, Dumb us down and keep us busy with as much NEW World Order visions as possible....Genetic robots to make humans better....Vaccines to Cure protect us all our flue strains...GMO genetic Modified Vegetables are better while creating DNA corrupt and less nutrient  foods, to Advance the sterilization process and birth reduction of humans, advance birth control and abortion issues...and stay silent about chemical trails and chemicals being dumped on humans and environment....say silent while the Higher Zealous Israelis in charge occupy Palestine and commit atrocities while 40% of islralies want the occupation to end and withdrawl for Palestine...IT IS TIME FOR ALL THE WAS TO END AND ALL THE BULS** t to END....!!!!
Oct 8, 2012 10:45AM
Oct 8, 2012 11:08AM
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BTW. it is pointless to defend the BLS. No one here knows if they do a good job or not.

 

My opinion is they are a bunch of lazy government bureaucrats who do as little as possible. They also take vary long lunch breaks!

 

Down with Obama!

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