Paul Ryan makes no difference to markets

While Romney's VP pick may be a good talking point this week, investors are still watching Europe.

By Jim Cramer Aug 13, 2012 10:49AM

Here's what I don't get about the choice of Paul Ryan. What rich person who wants his taxes lower thinks Ryan will make that much of a difference? For people voting on their tax rates, haven't they already settled on the idea of voting for Romney? Other than rich people, are any Americans willing to sacrifice Medicare when the program pays for endless best-in-the-world health care? Is there anyone other than the rich -- who can afford it anyway -- who would change his mind?


What Ryan gives Romney is something for people to talk about, because nobody was talking much about Romney at all lately.


So he's good for that.


But as far as the stock market is concerned, what does Paul Ryan have to do with the price-to-earnings multiple of Bristol-Myers (BMY)?




This week, like the past 10 weeks, will be about whether European stock markets can continue their amazing rally -- one that I believe is starting to drag U.S. markets with them. We all want to focus on bonds, because we think they are the only securities that accurately depict these economies.

But what I saw Monday was a Greece economic growth number that, while down, was not down as much as people had thought. What happens if that's the first surprise of many? Or do we really think that 10 straight weeks of climbing stock markets in Europe means nothing -- that it's just an aberration?


One thing is for certain: We haven't seen many numbers out of Europe, other than German employment, that have been better since the crisis began.


Jim Cramer is a co-founder of TheStreet and contributes daily market commentary to the financial news network's sites. Follow his trades for Action Alerts PLUS, which Cramer co-manages as a charitable trust and is long JPM.


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Aug 13, 2012 3:20PM

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Aug 13, 2012 3:19PM
And so it took 2 days for a false and misleading article on Ryan stock trading to get published.  So on September 18, before a meeting, Ryan sells a total of under $30,000 in JP Morgan and Wachovia stock, consistent with a pattern of selling on the 18th in prior months and he buys $15,000 of Goldman Sachs.  If you check the stock price activity after the trade, the transactions actually netted a loss in value.  You liberals must be really scared of Ryan and Romney. So you can listen to Axelrod, by definition of his name, he will give you the shaft.
Aug 13, 2012 3:14PM

the title should be,"who pays attention to cramer anymore"?haven't watched him for the last two years.

jim used to be a pretty good stock man and was entertaining to watch and listen to.since he became a morning guy he has gone political and stinks.jim doesn't have it right now and probably won't as long as he's selling msnbc crapola.

regards jb   

Aug 13, 2012 3:06PM

Ok, the Dems don't have a budget or a plan, Romney picks a guy who put together a very good plan to SAVE our economy and now no one wants to talk about the real elephant in the room the DEBT ......they rather focus on tax returns.  Obama puts ads out ther saying Romney made 40 million and only paid 14% in taxes ...well....GUESS WHAT...Ronmey owned a company.  When you put your own ideas, personal assests, time and effort out there to take that chance for a company to suceed you should get tax breaks for taking the risk AND you should get tax breaks so that you can hire more people and add jobs to the economy.  start taxing business owners 35% to 40%...and no one will be working.  If Romeny was a W2'd employee making 40 million he would have been taxed over 40%...but he was an business owner so those folks should get a break for risking thier own butts. 



Aug 13, 2012 3:03PM
"Medicare when the program pays for endless best-in-the-world health care"

Why do you use "best-in-the-world" to describe our healthcare? Cite your reference, Cramer. LMGTFY. France seems to be winning, and for less money per person. Google, Cramer, Google.
Aug 13, 2012 2:58PM
Aug 13, 2012 2:57PM
I love how Cramer writes an article about Ryan and the stock market and finds a way to fit a plug for BMY in here. Since he recommended it it is down a little over 10% and yet he still marches on. Poison for your wallet! Unless your shorting his positions that is...
Aug 13, 2012 2:56PM
Reality will set in sooner or later. Medicare is full of fraud. $570 for a doctor visit is too much of a charge to medicare for $4.00 worth of pills prescription. First time visits and overcharging medicare needs to be controlled. Maybe vouchers will make some over charges by greedy doctors unavailable.
Aug 13, 2012 2:54PM
This country will be over 17 Trillion in debt by the time Obama gets booted out of the WH. That's over $200,000.00 for every man, Woman and Child. That in itself will destroy US from within.
Aug 13, 2012 2:41PM

"Ryan makes no difference to markets"........And why should he at this early stage ?  Cramer, did you expect the markets to shoot up to record highs and beyond just because of Romney's VP pick ? Sounds to me like your choosing Political sides and airing them for all to see. This country is so far into the crapper, there is not one single thing, man, woman or story that will make a dramatic long term positive change to the markets or anything else. No one should expect a miracle of any kind, especially you.

If you want to do something POSITIVE for MSN cramer, tell them to block these stupid friggin "date" ad posters.

Aug 13, 2012 2:39PM
Cramer is an idiot; always has been. How he got to be a name in the media is beyond me. Must be his crazy, wild demeanor because it sure can't be his track record.
Aug 13, 2012 2:12PM
Isn't it so interesting Paul Ryan would ultimately like to do away with Medicare when all of our Congressman receive their full salary for life and the best healthcare money can buy. No wonder Republicans want to do away with social security which is NOT an entitlement and medicare.  After all, our elected representatives, are far too special to receive social securtiy or medicare.  Does anyone honestly think Republicans stand a chance to win this election?  Duh!!!
Aug 13, 2012 1:46PM
'It should probably come as no surprise to anyone that someone like Paul Ryan would trade on inside information gained through his position as a congressman to line his pockets, but this particular instance is especially egregious. Ryan attended a closed meeting with congressional leaders, Bush's Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke on September 18, 2008. The purpose of the meeting was to disclose the coming economic meltdown and beg Congress to pass legislation to help collapsing banks.' 

'Instead of doing anything to help, Ryan left the meeting and on that very same day Paul Ryan sold shares of stock he owned in several troubled banks and reinvested the proceeds in Goldman Sachs, a bank that the meeting had disclosed was not in trouble. This is the guy Republicans want one heartbeat away from the presidency? He seems more than a little shady to me.'

'Have a look at Ryan's financial disclosure form for 2008--you can click on each page to enlarge them. The "Transactions" section begins on page 12--scroll through and look at all the trades Paul Ryan made on "9-18-08":
Aug 13, 2012 1:27PM
Cramer, you made a jacka$$ of yourself again.  Romney, Ryan, nor any politics person or agenda should make a difference in the economy.  A true free market means politicla decisions should have no impact.  Howeve, with Obama in ofice, it is has been expressly stated by business people that his agenda inhibits business initiative and growth.
Aug 13, 2012 1:23PM

When I read some of the ignorant tripe that is posted here, I want to break down and cry. Many get their facts from some fool propaganda news station, some get it from their left leaning local newspaper and some just have no touch with reality. I think every student in America should be forced to pass a civics class, an economics course and a reading course before being allowed to vote. I'm not sure that some of these posters ever showed up a day in the classroom! 


 "Those who fail to remember history are doomed to relive it."

Aug 13, 2012 1:00PM
Cramer really doesn't get it.

At least Ryan will have started the debate over having a federal balanced budget, and the consequences of excessive government spending.

The American people are idiots if they don't understand that spending without limit will result in a day of reckoning, that will be far more painful than if we reign in spending now.

Aug 13, 2012 12:26PM
It would appear rather more credible if the Democrat comment-kidz assigned to Cramer's posts could at least pass the Econ 101 first-week quiz at a community college.
Aug 13, 2012 12:16PM
Yes, Medicare pays for endless, best-in-the world healthcare.  That's part of the problem.  The Medicare program is going bankrupt and needs to be fixed.  Ryan is the only politician who's even talking about this issue (Dem or Repub).  The other politicians are too afraid to even talk about it, let alone propose a way to keep it from imploding.
Aug 13, 2012 11:30AM
Yes, but now we have two tax dodgers running for the Republicans that won't get elected. Oh and one's a draft dodger too.

You really do not understand reality Cramer


The US is in terrible trouble for two reason the super rich and the super rich.


Too much of the US economy is totally faked monies like the $4 trillion dollars added to our GDP by assuming everyone with a house is living somewhere else for free and renting out their houses for $4 trillion a year.


Everyone knows that the super rich are sucking too much money out of the eocnomy and there is not enough left for the rest of us. The bean counters have made things worse by doing things like ok we sold 8 million cars (the rest to fleet and rental companies) last year and if we rise the price another $5,000 we will lose only 0.2 percent of our buyers as the super rich are the only ones buying new cars anyway and the increase of $5,000 per car more than offsets the lost of 0.2 percent of our buyers.


The trouble with this is that now we have new cars sales at a level where in 5 years there will not be enough used cars to fill demand for cars in the USA. Considering most people have been forced into buying used cars on economic reasons the reduction of used cars thru total breakdowns vs new used cars coming on the market will not fill demand.


Pretty much this is very bad economics and makes the US weaker and weaker and just a few people super rich.


This accounting best practice (best of breed like they were horses silly idea) of increasing prices and squeezing customers out of the market while increasing profit is doomed to failure.


It causes us to go into a downward DEATH SPIRAL of LOST JOBS and an ever weaker and weaker economy.


Time to ditch the super rich and the silly bean counters like Paul Ryan and Mitt and get 40,000,000 Americans working at $100,000 a year.


We will just have to fire the top 1 percenters to make this happen and use their salaries to pay for the new workers. Trade 3,000,000 jobs for a more stable work force of 40,000,000 workers.

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